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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7798913" data-attributes="member: 6795602">You are trivializing that difference though and it is a huge difference.&nbsp; I don't start with the orcs passive perception and then give it advantage or disadvantage.&nbsp; That's not how to determine the DC for sneaking up to an encampment.&nbsp; &nbsp; I start saying how well organized is the camp, do they have towers, what kind of terrain surrounds the place, how many lookouts are there etc.&nbsp; It's only after I look at that and say this kind of encampment would be really hard to sneak up on that I factor in whether the Orc's passive perception is more average or more exceptional or really lacking.The important factors in this scenario isn't the orcs per se, and definitely not an individual orc, but their discipline, the terrain and the encampment features.&nbsp; That's what makes an encampment hard to sneak up on.&nbsp; That's why starting at the orcs passive perception will never allow you to appropriately set the DC for camp sneaking (especially in 5e's paradigm of using advantage and disadvantage instead of 10 different circumstance bonuses).So in your method of play, after the DC is set it will play out the same.&nbsp; I don't think that's how 5e RAW has you do it but it's good you are at least doing that.&nbsp; It's still important how the DC gets set though.&nbsp; It says a lot about the world and provides the PC's with appropriate challenges for what they are actually facing.NP.&nbsp; I'd need alot more context in order to really tell you which way I would go.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7798913, member: 6795602"] You are trivializing that difference though and it is a huge difference. I don't start with the orcs passive perception and then give it advantage or disadvantage. That's not how to determine the DC for sneaking up to an encampment. I start saying how well organized is the camp, do they have towers, what kind of terrain surrounds the place, how many lookouts are there etc. It's only after I look at that and say this kind of encampment would be really hard to sneak up on that I factor in whether the Orc's passive perception is more average or more exceptional or really lacking. The important factors in this scenario isn't the orcs per se, and definitely not an individual orc, but their discipline, the terrain and the encampment features. That's what makes an encampment hard to sneak up on. That's why starting at the orcs passive perception will never allow you to appropriately set the DC for camp sneaking (especially in 5e's paradigm of using advantage and disadvantage instead of 10 different circumstance bonuses). So in your method of play, after the DC is set it will play out the same. I don't think that's how 5e RAW has you do it but it's good you are at least doing that. It's still important how the DC gets set though. It says a lot about the world and provides the PC's with appropriate challenges for what they are actually facing. NP. I'd need alot more context in order to really tell you which way I would go. [/QUOTE]

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