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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 5351016" data-attributes="member: 1210">First off, you do not have to play D&amp;D with all your friends. Some people just don't game well together; there is nothing wrong with saying, &quot;Hey, let's do something else instead, because I really don't think we're having the fun we should gaming together.&quot;That said, if he's enjoying the game, you might gently point out that he's reducing everyone else's enjoyment of same. It sounds like you already did this, sort of, and it didn't take; but from your description, you said, &quot;You're negative a lot&quot; and you may have left out the part where you add, &quot;and it detracts from my fun.&quot;I know that this detracts from the DM's fun, too- and the longer it goes on and the worse it gets, the more likely the DM is to get fed up and either give him the boot unkindly or quit running the game entirely. Ungrateful, negative players that throw fits? Had one. He stopped gaming with us and every single other player came up to me within a month (there were eight other players, yikes!) and mentioned how much smoother and more pleasant the game was without him.&nbsp; And almost all of them were his good friends.At a certain point, he's got to shape up or leave the table. The longer you wait to make this clear, the rougher the effects are going to be on the game. I'd say discuss it without beating around the bush yet without being a dick- make sure he understands that he's having an effect on everyone else too, but don't make him feel like he's being ganged up on.Basically, would you play basketball with someone who copped that kind of attitude any time you made a shot? It's all about being a good sport. I shudder to think how he'd react if his character died.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 5351016, member: 1210"] First off, you do not have to play D&D with all your friends. Some people just don't game well together; there is nothing wrong with saying, "Hey, let's do something else instead, because I really don't think we're having the fun we should gaming together." That said, if he's enjoying the game, you might gently point out that he's reducing everyone else's enjoyment of same. It sounds like you already did this, sort of, and it didn't take; but from your description, you said, "You're negative a lot" and you may have left out the part where you add, "and it detracts from my fun." I [i]know[/i] that this detracts from the DM's fun, too- and the longer it goes on and the worse it gets, the more likely the DM is to get fed up and either give him the boot unkindly or quit running the game entirely. Ungrateful, negative players that throw fits? Had one. He stopped gaming with us and [i]every single other player[/i] came up to me within a month (there were eight other players, yikes!) and mentioned how much smoother and more pleasant the game was without him. And almost all of them were his good friends. At a certain point, he's got to shape up or leave the table. The longer you wait to make this clear, the rougher the effects are going to be on the game. I'd say discuss it without beating around the bush yet without being a dick- make sure he understands that he's having an effect on everyone else too, but don't make him feel like he's being ganged up on. Basically, would you play basketball with someone who copped that kind of attitude any time you made a shot? It's all about being a good sport. I shudder to think how he'd react if his character died. [/QUOTE]

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