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<blockquote data-quote="Zelda Themelin" data-source="post: 5389258" data-attributes="member: 167"><p>I understand your need to vent. Maybe your friend had a bad day. He also seems rather emotional.</p><p></p><p>The ac thing. Having to throw multiple times 14 with normal hit is kinda irritating. I don't like as dm, when monsters have to constantly throw very well to get a glance, and I don't like it as player either. I while ago played in this game where ac on both sides was bit on good end. And both sides rolled low. Stupid fight got 30 rounds with 4 players and 1 dm with many mobs. Everyone playing was feeling sleepy. Prolly not the case here, but genarally fishing higher numbers. AC has IMO always been most problematic part of D&D combat, that and spell DC/saves synergy. </p><p></p><p></p><p>It might be that he personally found enemy npc very irritating and trouble taking it just in character. Happens at times. My sister can't stand clowns or creepy dolls. She gets upset just by imagining them. </p><p></p><p>Charging up stairs and not checking for traps. He probably forget, and thought he was in "auto-check traps mode" after doing it once. Maybe he thought it unfair dm didn't think he meant to be careful all the time in building. Of course, unless he generally plays reckless.</p><p></p><p>Maybe part of that behavior comes, that he has used to be alone when something pisses him off in some game. You know usual computer game thing, curse, maybe throw your mouse or hit keyboard. He hasn't still settled with idea that he can't just pull same routine on real people.</p><p></p><p>I think there is still some trust issue. He feels singled out. Maybe feels he fails to communicate his intentions to dm, or dm fails to understand them right. Feels that everyone else seem to side with dm, and he is one that is always wrong. </p><p></p><p>He also still doesn't quite get all the rules.</p><p></p><p>Whatever is reason, you must find nicer way to communicate opinions than what there is now. Bad mood is as catching as is good. Rest of you are apperently enjoying that game. I would try to figure out for while longer what makes him so moody. Seems like he too enjoys gaming with you, just not always. Find out if he wants to continue gaming wtih you, and if so he has to try to keep his temper, because it ruins mood for everyone else too. </p><p></p><p>Maybe tell him skip game if he feels day has started on wrong foot.</p><p></p><p>Don't kick him out, if it comes to that, try to persuade him to bow out himself. There will be lot less bad blood that way. </p><p></p><p>You also call him whiney douche and poo bomber behind his back. Maybe he is aware of that. I woudn' like my friend call me that way to strangers in internet or to my gaming friends behind my back. Unless that's norm in your friend circle of course.</p><p></p><p>Based on that, I'd feel his behavior during games is affecting your friendship into negative direction. You should seriously do some fun together that doesn't involve gaming. And while at it ask him why he hates failure so much, use movie metaphor as one here suggested. Tell him that interesting stories are not about heroes who cakewalk everything. Hardship and failures are what makes success so great and heroic.</p><p>Tell it it's not about winning, but about excitement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zelda Themelin, post: 5389258, member: 167"] I understand your need to vent. Maybe your friend had a bad day. He also seems rather emotional. The ac thing. Having to throw multiple times 14 with normal hit is kinda irritating. I don't like as dm, when monsters have to constantly throw very well to get a glance, and I don't like it as player either. I while ago played in this game where ac on both sides was bit on good end. And both sides rolled low. Stupid fight got 30 rounds with 4 players and 1 dm with many mobs. Everyone playing was feeling sleepy. Prolly not the case here, but genarally fishing higher numbers. AC has IMO always been most problematic part of D&D combat, that and spell DC/saves synergy. It might be that he personally found enemy npc very irritating and trouble taking it just in character. Happens at times. My sister can't stand clowns or creepy dolls. She gets upset just by imagining them. Charging up stairs and not checking for traps. He probably forget, and thought he was in "auto-check traps mode" after doing it once. Maybe he thought it unfair dm didn't think he meant to be careful all the time in building. Of course, unless he generally plays reckless. Maybe part of that behavior comes, that he has used to be alone when something pisses him off in some game. You know usual computer game thing, curse, maybe throw your mouse or hit keyboard. He hasn't still settled with idea that he can't just pull same routine on real people. I think there is still some trust issue. He feels singled out. Maybe feels he fails to communicate his intentions to dm, or dm fails to understand them right. Feels that everyone else seem to side with dm, and he is one that is always wrong. He also still doesn't quite get all the rules. Whatever is reason, you must find nicer way to communicate opinions than what there is now. Bad mood is as catching as is good. Rest of you are apperently enjoying that game. I would try to figure out for while longer what makes him so moody. Seems like he too enjoys gaming with you, just not always. Find out if he wants to continue gaming wtih you, and if so he has to try to keep his temper, because it ruins mood for everyone else too. Maybe tell him skip game if he feels day has started on wrong foot. Don't kick him out, if it comes to that, try to persuade him to bow out himself. There will be lot less bad blood that way. You also call him whiney douche and poo bomber behind his back. Maybe he is aware of that. I woudn' like my friend call me that way to strangers in internet or to my gaming friends behind my back. Unless that's norm in your friend circle of course. Based on that, I'd feel his behavior during games is affecting your friendship into negative direction. You should seriously do some fun together that doesn't involve gaming. And while at it ask him why he hates failure so much, use movie metaphor as one here suggested. Tell him that interesting stories are not about heroes who cakewalk everything. Hardship and failures are what makes success so great and heroic. Tell it it's not about winning, but about excitement. [/QUOTE]
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