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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8239253" data-attributes="member: 6790260">So, you agree, then, that there are certain behaviors one can engage with at the gaming table that are by default wrong, no matter what? Because that was the whole point. If you concede there's at least one, you've given me the only point that matters. Everything else is just enumeration.Comedy and parody are distinct from roleplaying, and should be subject to different limits. But even then, do you not agree that certain kinds of comedy targeting individual people are unacceptable? For example, mocking the habits of the recently-deceased, especially if they died by suicide. Robin Williams comes to mind. Or mocking the struggles of people with mental disabilities, for a different example.Consider how harmful, and coercive, the "oh lighten up"/"if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"/"god, such a prude, where's your sense of humor" defense is. That is the kind of thing I'm talking about.I mean, yes? Imagine telling jokes using racial epithets at the table. That's hardly going to be an acceptable thing...pretty much anywhere. Again, this is why we have a "reasonable person" standard, instead of laying out a laundry list of unacceptable things. No list can ever be absolutely perfect, and no matter how much work you put into the list, SOME people SOMEWHERE are GOING to game it to hell and back, whether "dancing on the line" type or "hah, I can censor you because what you said technically violates the letter of the rule!" type.Again, I don't think this is the case. For many things, yes, certainly. But some things really are beyond the pale in almost all circumstances. I mean, you yourself just said that coercing people into playing something is verboten in all cases; you admit there's at least one behavior that is genuinely unacceptable at ALL tables, no matter what. If there's at least one, you can't argue that for all things, some tables would accept it and other tables wouldn't. There could be others.And if this were about matters of taste, I agree. But it's not. Using racist epithets to speak about your actual, living friends is not a matter of taste--especially if you don't have any (figurative or literal) skin in the game, so to speak. Perpetuating harmful stereotypes--like Pathfinder's Vistani, who were pretty blatantly written with every harmful stereotype of Roma people--is, some argue, another such thing that is not a matter of taste, but rather a general behavior that isn't acceptable: being actually harmful toward real people.</blockquote>

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