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<blockquote data-quote="dontpunkme" data-source="post: 1891556" data-attributes="member: 17938">Throw a drow raiding party at them with plenty of class levels (make sure all drow fighters have blind fight) and then envelop them in spheres of Darkness.&nbsp; Then have the drow wizard blanket the area with fireball spells to soften them up.&nbsp; Then let the fighters clean up them.&nbsp; Have extra character sheets ready.&nbsp; When they roll up new characters let them face a human party with class levels.&nbsp; Kill them again.&nbsp; Have extra character sheets ready.Proceed to deurgar, halflings, basically any race the players have access to and keep killing them.&nbsp; Complain the entire time that they're characters aren't being fun and that they need to learn to roll better.&nbsp; Or throw beasties with level drain abilities at them.&nbsp; Keep level draining until orcs are a challenge again.Lastly, 2 words- Orc Army!&nbsp; Sure 6-7 orcs are easy, but what about 2,000 of them.&nbsp; Point is make them wish it was just 4 orcs with class levels.&nbsp; If you show them to fear enemies in very, very large numbers they will wish for a few orcs with class levels.&nbsp; If this doesn't work, find new players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dontpunkme, post: 1891556, member: 17938"] Throw a drow raiding party at them with plenty of class levels (make sure all drow fighters have blind fight) and then envelop them in spheres of Darkness. Then have the drow wizard blanket the area with fireball spells to soften them up. Then let the fighters clean up them. Have extra character sheets ready. When they roll up new characters let them face a human party with class levels. Kill them again. Have extra character sheets ready. Proceed to deurgar, halflings, basically any race the players have access to and keep killing them. Complain the entire time that they're characters aren't being fun and that they need to learn to roll better. Or throw beasties with level drain abilities at them. Keep level draining until orcs are a challenge again. Lastly, 2 words- Orc Army! Sure 6-7 orcs are easy, but what about 2,000 of them. Point is make them wish it was just 4 orcs with class levels. If you show them to fear enemies in very, very large numbers they will wish for a few orcs with class levels. If this doesn't work, find new players. [/QUOTE]

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