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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kmart Kommando" data-source="post: 3149658" data-attributes="member: 39915">Just do like they do in the movies, and run around the corner and hide somewhere where they won't automatically expect you to be.How many times does the hero (or the badass villain) hide up in the rafters or suspended above the door, then jump out and take somebody unaware?If you have the movement, run around the corner, Hide, and ready an action to pop 'em one when they come looking for you.  They come around, you attack from hiding (and force a spot check from them) and if you beat the opposed skill roll, they didn't see you coming, no matter what kind of cover they just walked around, because you readied to accomplish just that, taking them by suprise.  If they move past where you've hidden yourself and don't see you, you might get an AoO out of them as they do anyway.  With magic spells or items, you can get away with walking up the wall to hide, or turning invisible, any number of things to help you hide, in addition to the mundane, such as climbing the statue you ducked behind, or bracing between 2 walls and fast climbing, anything to not be quite where they'd expect you to be. Notice it doesn't say they automatically find you, they just know you're there somewhere.  With a high roll (or at least higher than their spot check), you're like a ninja that just seems to vanish in that split second you were out of sight.  You only need concealment or cover, not total cover or full concealment to hide, because as soon as you run around that tree or corner, or step into that shadowy area, you're no longer being casually observed because the the text of the Hide skill says you can hide then. Someone highly skilled at being sneaky will know how the blend into wherever they are to best benefit, no need to pull new rules out of the sky to nerf all those skill points they spent on bread and butter survival skills.</blockquote>

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