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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kmart Kommando" data-source="post: 3151270" data-attributes="member: 39915"><p>Have you ever walked into a room and the DM calls for a spot check to see a hidden creature?  Same principle applies.  Someone is trying to hide, and someone else needs to beat their hide check with a spot check.  Only if they had blindsense would they automatically know what square you're in, and only with blindsight would they automatically 'see' you without a spot check.  You only need cover to hide, not to stay hidden.  Nowhere in the rules does it say need to stay behind cover or in concealment to hide.  All you need is the distraction or something to break up your silhouette, and you can hide.  The actual roll tells how good you've hidden yourself, and what the spot DC is to find you.  If you rule it any other way, then there is no reason to put any skill points in any perception or stealth skills, because the fighter with +2 spot is going to see the rogue with +26 hide every time.  Now how much sense does that make?   :\</p></blockquote><p></p>