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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7160757" data-attributes="member: 6787650">What? You couldn't even be bothered to read a PHB before shooting off your mouth?An Eldritch Knight can learn Expeditious Retreat as early as 3rd level.I'm not even going to bother responding to your theorycrafted scenario point by point. At most, all you're doing is establishing that you can construct a scenario where the 12x Deadly fight will probably kill the PC (if the fight starts at close range and the PC loses initiative and fails his Strength check), which isn't surprising and isn't germane to the discussion. No claim was made that in every scenario the 5th level defense-capable PC will always win. But his odds are vastly better, and he is more tactically flexible, than the offensive-focused one.Edit: okay, I can't help myself.What is this even in reference to? If he disengages after getting up from being prone, he gets 20' of movement because he's Mobile, or 60' if he uses Expeditious Retreat to bonus action Dash, but in no case is it 30'.That is the third factual error I've spotted in that post. (Expeditious Retreat, Telekinesis being resisted by an ability check instead of a save, and calculating movement incorrectly.) Then there are the logical errors (assuming that there's no middle ground between an ambush at 60' and "thousands of feet" of empty terrain; forgetting that Action Surge exists; forgetting that githyanki retreating behind total cover simply enables the EK to hide as was explicitly mentioned originally as part of his defensive strategy--cat-and-mouse is "mentally exhausting" which leads to the "good fun" that was mentioned previously).At this point I doubt you even really understand my point. You seem to be fighting a strawman made out of your own mistakes and misapprehensions. If you'd just state what it is, I can save us both a lot of time and say, "No, I don't believe that. You're right, that straw man is false." E.g. "You're right, the Mobile feat does not let 1st level PCs kill the Tarrasque." (I exaggerate slightly for effect; but I don't think I'm exaggerating all that much. I think you think I believe something truly ridiculous or you wouldn't have written that last post the way you did.)</blockquote>

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