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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7211033" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Is a +2 DC on saves and a +1 to hit worth a +1 CR?</p><p></p><p></p><p> The same problem comes up for players wanting a high-INT (or WIS or CHA) concept when they, themselves, are mere mortals mentally, in a way that simply doesn't come up with those playing paragons of STR or DEX.</p><p></p><p>Of course, the DM has a huge advantage, in that regard. Simply apply DM force in the moment /before/ it gets curb-stomped. Someone casts a spell you forgot existed that hoses the lich? "'Well-played for a mind still burdened by the exigencies of life, but, as you can see' - one of the amulets the lich is wearing flares and crumbles to dust, the spell you had cast ends - 'I am prepared for your simple mortal gambits.' The lich cackles.'"</p><p></p><p>You'd want to limit such gotchyas, of course. For instance, you could give the brilliant opponent one such retroactive trick per point of INT mod (or WIS, for that matter, or, to stretch a point CHA, if it involves deception or intimidation). More reasonably, one trick per point of the modifier above the PC with the best score in the same attribute.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7211033, member: 996"] Is a +2 DC on saves and a +1 to hit worth a +1 CR? The same problem comes up for players wanting a high-INT (or WIS or CHA) concept when they, themselves, are mere mortals mentally, in a way that simply doesn't come up with those playing paragons of STR or DEX. Of course, the DM has a huge advantage, in that regard. Simply apply DM force in the moment /before/ it gets curb-stomped. Someone casts a spell you forgot existed that hoses the lich? "'Well-played for a mind still burdened by the exigencies of life, but, as you can see' - one of the amulets the lich is wearing flares and crumbles to dust, the spell you had cast ends - 'I am prepared for your simple mortal gambits.' The lich cackles.'" You'd want to limit such gotchyas, of course. For instance, you could give the brilliant opponent one such retroactive trick per point of INT mod (or WIS, for that matter, or, to stretch a point CHA, if it involves deception or intimidation). More reasonably, one trick per point of the modifier above the PC with the best score in the same attribute. [/QUOTE]
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