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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7212869" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>I am me? And who are you to say that your view is the right one? Previous editions were a nightmarish mathematical power creep. I am happy, over joyed that this power creep is finally over. I would not like to revert to that. They took a wrong turn and they corrected their course of actions. You should applaud them for that. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>These are mistakes for you. It is your opinion. As I said, the edition isn't perfect. None ever were. Some of the weaknesses you pointed out are actualy strong points for others. You should admit that. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The only concessus you seem to be able to accept is that your idea are the only one worth defending. The ranger was doing quite the concensus and they did something about it. A few things that you are implying are not bad at all. They're great!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That regression wasn't bad. At least in my eyes and the eyes of many others. The fact that I and many others can make it work is the only valid point. Not all monsters need to be solo monsters. Again, nothing prevents you from modifying a marilith to suit your taste. It is sooooo easy to do in this edition.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just the fact that this is the best selling edition of all time proves you wrong. People wanted simplicity and fluidity. It was all about that during the playtests. We got exactly what we wanted. It looks like the sales proved that us (who participated to the playtests) and WotC were right.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It was not made on the cheap. They had thousands of playtester this time around. Maybe it is why it is so popular now. It is better to have a few dedicated developpers than hundreds that are arguing around. With the way they went for 5ed. They had a lot of data to process. They did their job quite well. Some weak spots did slipped in but not in the amount that you are refering.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some of the lows that you mention are actualy highs for me and many others. Again I am not an apologist. This edition has some weaknesses but I can live with most of them. Those I can't live with, I simply rule them out or I change them to suit my tastes. The beast ranger needed a lot of change and the unearthed arcana made almost the same changes I did. The concentration mecanic is a necessary evil but too many spells were put on that mecanic. I removed some of the spells from that mecanic, mainly<u> hex</u> and <u>hunter's mark</u>. It works wonders.</p><p></p><p>The only thing I don't like in what you're doing is that if we don't agree with you on something we are either apologists or simply unable to see the true way. We can disagree with you without being apologists. I took your defense on many occasions as some of your points are quite valid while some others are not. Its not that everything is black or white. Sometimes shades of grey gets in the way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7212869, member: 6855114"] I am me? And who are you to say that your view is the right one? Previous editions were a nightmarish mathematical power creep. I am happy, over joyed that this power creep is finally over. I would not like to revert to that. They took a wrong turn and they corrected their course of actions. You should applaud them for that. These are mistakes for you. It is your opinion. As I said, the edition isn't perfect. None ever were. Some of the weaknesses you pointed out are actualy strong points for others. You should admit that. The only concessus you seem to be able to accept is that your idea are the only one worth defending. The ranger was doing quite the concensus and they did something about it. A few things that you are implying are not bad at all. They're great! That regression wasn't bad. At least in my eyes and the eyes of many others. The fact that I and many others can make it work is the only valid point. Not all monsters need to be solo monsters. Again, nothing prevents you from modifying a marilith to suit your taste. It is sooooo easy to do in this edition. Just the fact that this is the best selling edition of all time proves you wrong. People wanted simplicity and fluidity. It was all about that during the playtests. We got exactly what we wanted. It looks like the sales proved that us (who participated to the playtests) and WotC were right. It was not made on the cheap. They had thousands of playtester this time around. Maybe it is why it is so popular now. It is better to have a few dedicated developpers than hundreds that are arguing around. With the way they went for 5ed. They had a lot of data to process. They did their job quite well. Some weak spots did slipped in but not in the amount that you are refering. Some of the lows that you mention are actualy highs for me and many others. Again I am not an apologist. This edition has some weaknesses but I can live with most of them. Those I can't live with, I simply rule them out or I change them to suit my tastes. The beast ranger needed a lot of change and the unearthed arcana made almost the same changes I did. The concentration mecanic is a necessary evil but too many spells were put on that mecanic. I removed some of the spells from that mecanic, mainly[U] hex[/U] and [U]hunter's mark[/U]. It works wonders. The only thing I don't like in what you're doing is that if we don't agree with you on something we are either apologists or simply unable to see the true way. We can disagree with you without being apologists. I took your defense on many occasions as some of your points are quite valid while some others are not. Its not that everything is black or white. Sometimes shades of grey gets in the way. [/QUOTE]
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