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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7214221" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Ho boy...It is a lot like 1e. And please fully quote or do not quote at all. I did say that it had some of the 3e and 4e concepts mixed in. Namely tiers. 1e did not have these concepts merged in. A 10th level character in 1e was an achievement. Today, it is just an other chump. What I was refering to was the feel, the fluidity and the pace at which both editions are played. Where a 15th level party will encounter 1 marilith in 5th the same party of 1e would see many more with many more demons to join the fray.High level challenging play was possible in 1e. In some other post we did talk about that. It required a lot of work but it was quite possible. The best example are the Isle of the ape. 18+ and Bloodstone mines 18+.Just stopping and saying:&quot; Hey bad example! They're not the same!&quot; is quite beside the point. Of course they're not the same. We are 4 (should I say 5? with 3.x...) editions later. There will be differences and major ones at that. Our friend was refering to the marilith as if it has always been a solo type monsters. It is far from the truth. The marilith of today is a throw back to 1e in the sense that now it is not a solo type boss. It is simply a CR16 monster like any other of its kind. The only thing you did is to prove me right while trying to prove me wrong again.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7214221, member: 6855114"] Ho boy... It is a lot like 1e. And please fully quote or do not quote at all. I did say that it had some of the 3e and 4e concepts mixed in. Namely tiers. 1e did not have these concepts merged in. A 10th level character in 1e was an achievement. Today, it is just an other chump. What I was refering to was the feel, the fluidity and the pace at which both editions are played. Where a 15th level party will encounter 1 marilith in 5th the same party of 1e would see many more with many more demons to join the fray. High level challenging play was possible in 1e. In some other post we did talk about that. It required a lot of work but it was quite possible. The best example are the Isle of the ape. 18+ and Bloodstone mines 18+. Just stopping and saying:" Hey bad example! They're not the same!" is quite beside the point. Of course they're not the same. We are 4 (should I say 5? with 3.x...) editions later. There will be differences and major ones at that. Our friend was refering to the marilith as if it has always been a solo type monsters. It is far from the truth. The marilith of today is a throw back to 1e in the sense that now it is not a solo type boss. It is simply a CR16 monster like any other of its kind. The only thing you did is to prove me right while trying to prove me wrong again. [/QUOTE]

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