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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7215121" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Of course she does less. She's a demon. What would you expect?1e and 5e are on par with each other in attitude. &quot;Go forth worthless hides or I'll slay you my self!&quot; The marilith will kill a few of her own troops to get things done. Why do you think that the forces of hell can hold demonic armies to a stand still? Because one army is doing it's job well and the other isn't. Law vs chaos in this example. The hobgoblin warlord cares (more or less but that is debatable) about his troops. The marilith doesn't care at all. That is why the marilith was not a solo in 1e. It takes a lot of marilith to direct the chaotic hordes of demon. They simply do not listen to orders unless the boss is near and they listen only so that it won't be slain by the boss. With that in mind, the marilith is considered a great tactician because despite the chaotic irresponsible hordes she commands, she manages to get things done, most of the time (remember the stand still...). But with such a kind of troops in mind, you need a lot of generals to get the troops in line. And even the marilith are demons. Chaos bound to do things their ways despite of the general tactic decided by the balors. Many marilith die in battle as the demonic horde beside her just did not listen and either fled or turned on her. That is why the marilith does less for her troops than the hobgoblin warlord.About monsters in general.Yes a lot of monsters are weaker than their 2e, 3e and 4e counter parts. It is by design. 5e is closer to 1e than any other editions in philosophy. Compare the 5e marilith to the 1e marilith and you'll be surprised how close they are together. The same hold true for any demon, devil, demodan, daemons and other monsters such as angels. Is it a good thing? For me it is. It might not be so for some others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7215121, member: 6855114"] Of course she does less. She's a demon. What would you expect? 1e and 5e are on par with each other in attitude. "Go forth worthless hides or I'll slay you my self!" The marilith will kill a few of her own troops to get things done. Why do you think that the forces of hell can hold demonic armies to a stand still? Because one army is doing it's job well and the other isn't. Law vs chaos in this example. The hobgoblin warlord cares (more or less but that is debatable) about his troops. The marilith doesn't care at all. That is why the marilith was not a solo in 1e. It takes a lot of marilith to direct the chaotic hordes of demon. They simply do not listen to orders unless the boss is near and they listen only so that it won't be slain by the boss. With that in mind, the marilith is considered a great tactician because despite the chaotic irresponsible hordes she commands, she manages to get things done, most of the time (remember the stand still...). But with such a kind of troops in mind, you need a lot of generals to get the troops in line. And even the marilith are demons. Chaos bound to do things their ways despite of the general tactic decided by the balors. Many marilith die in battle as the demonic horde beside her just did not listen and either fled or turned on her. That is why the marilith does less for her troops than the hobgoblin warlord. About monsters in general. Yes a lot of monsters are weaker than their 2e, 3e and 4e counter parts. It is by design. 5e is closer to 1e than any other editions in philosophy. Compare the 5e marilith to the 1e marilith and you'll be surprised how close they are together. The same hold true for any demon, devil, demodan, daemons and other monsters such as angels. Is it a good thing? For me it is. It might not be so for some others. [/QUOTE]

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