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<blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1127149" data-attributes="member: 14225"><p>Spellsword has problems.</p><p></p><p>The biggest problem, of course, is that if your goal is to cast spells in armor and stab people, you're better off just taking a mix of Fighter Wizard levels.</p><p></p><p>Let's look at a standard Spellsword:</p><p></p><p>You can take the class after 3 levels of Fighter, and 3 levels of Wizard.</p><p></p><p>So taking 10 levels of Spellsword:</p><p></p><p>Your BAB is +11.</p><p>Your Caster level is 8, and you can cast 4th level spells in armor.</p><p>You have gained 1 bonus fighter feat.</p><p>You have a Sword Cache - which is a very fancy way of saying you have Brew Potion.</p><p></p><p><strong>OR</strong> you could take 3 levels of Fighter and 7 levels of Wizard:</p><p></p><p>Your BAB is +11.</p><p>Your Caster level is 10, and you can cast 4th level spells in armor.</p><p>You have gained 2 bonus fighter feats.</p><p>You have gained 2 bonus Wizard feats, one of which is Brew Potion, and the other is Still Spell (since your caster level is 2 higher, you can just prepare your 4th level spells as 5th level Still spells and have the same number of them and cast them without somatic components).</p><p>---</p><p></p><p>As the "Fighter 6/ Wizard 10" you can wear heavier armor, and cast more powerful spells while using a sword and a shield (the Spell Sword still needs somatic components and thus needs to sheathe his sword or drop his shield to cast). You have the same BAB, a better caster level, and an extra Fighter feat.</p><p></p><p>Spellsword is a joke. It makes you <em>worse</em> at casting spells while fighting in heavy armor.</p><p></p><p>Although, as a side note: you do get better saves and more hit points than just multiclassing Wizard/Fighter. That's an artifact of the multiclassing rules - I suggest that you take a Wizard PrC and a Fighter PrC if you want to make up the loss of good saves.</p><p></p><p>In the whole 10 levels, you get less of spelling and swording than 10 levels split 3/7 of Fighter and Wizard.</p><p></p><p>If you think the Fighter 6 / Wizard 10 is an overpowered build - maybe the Spellsword is balanced. Otherwise, it stinks.</p><p></p><p>-Frank</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrankTrollman, post: 1127149, member: 14225"] Spellsword has problems. The biggest problem, of course, is that if your goal is to cast spells in armor and stab people, you're better off just taking a mix of Fighter Wizard levels. Let's look at a standard Spellsword: You can take the class after 3 levels of Fighter, and 3 levels of Wizard. So taking 10 levels of Spellsword: Your BAB is +11. Your Caster level is 8, and you can cast 4th level spells in armor. You have gained 1 bonus fighter feat. You have a Sword Cache - which is a very fancy way of saying you have Brew Potion. [b]OR[/b] you could take 3 levels of Fighter and 7 levels of Wizard: Your BAB is +11. Your Caster level is 10, and you can cast 4th level spells in armor. You have gained 2 bonus fighter feats. You have gained 2 bonus Wizard feats, one of which is Brew Potion, and the other is Still Spell (since your caster level is 2 higher, you can just prepare your 4th level spells as 5th level Still spells and have the same number of them and cast them without somatic components). --- As the "Fighter 6/ Wizard 10" you can wear heavier armor, and cast more powerful spells while using a sword and a shield (the Spell Sword still needs somatic components and thus needs to sheathe his sword or drop his shield to cast). You have the same BAB, a better caster level, and an extra Fighter feat. Spellsword is a joke. It makes you [i]worse[/i] at casting spells while fighting in heavy armor. Although, as a side note: you do get better saves and more hit points than just multiclassing Wizard/Fighter. That's an artifact of the multiclassing rules - I suggest that you take a Wizard PrC and a Fighter PrC if you want to make up the loss of good saves. In the whole 10 levels, you get less of spelling and swording than 10 levels split 3/7 of Fighter and Wizard. If you think the Fighter 6 / Wizard 10 is an overpowered build - maybe the Spellsword is balanced. Otherwise, it stinks. -Frank [/QUOTE]
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