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<blockquote data-quote="ccs" data-source="post: 8046138" data-attributes="member: 6803664">Just mostly slow. We added another player this session &amp; they had to create a character, get caught up on campaign stuff, BS with some of us they hadn't seen for awhile, etc.All that was really accomplished story wise:The ex-paladin was finally baptized into the Cult of the Salmon in preparation of MC into Warlock (Celestial, Tome) the next time he lvs. by the Tiefling Warlock (also a Celestial Salmon cultist).See, some time back he proved unworthy of being a Paladin, was stripped of that class, and has been serving as fighter. I'm a 1e DM running 5e.&nbsp; You can absolutely lose your special abilities in my game.&nbsp; This guy?&nbsp; A LG Paladin of Justice - who acted neither Good nor Lawfully, refused to help those in need, actually intentionally caused injustice, and finally?, when called to task for this?&nbsp; Renounced his deity.&nbsp; OK, well the god of Justice is not going to let his name be sullied &amp; his blessings wasted/perverted.&nbsp; So a fighter you shall be....Now this player insists upon using bits of FR lore about how the faithless will be interred into a cosmic wall upon death.&nbsp; So he's looking to find a replacement deity.{Never mind that I, the DM, have TOLD him that this doesn't apply in my game.....&nbsp; Oh well, I guess his character can believe any wacky thing he wants....&nbsp; Doesn't explain why the PLAYER refuses to believe me.} A few weeks back the Warlock player asked me, in-character, if she could induct him into the service of her patron.&nbsp; My answer was &quot;Yes, the Salmon will accept any willing follower.&quot;&nbsp; I left the details of this conversion ritual up to her. She told him that it involved him getting drunk/stoned &amp; then literally drowned to death in a river as he attempted to swim up-stream.&nbsp; If he makes his death saves he'd survive &amp; be accepted by her patron. If he failed he'd simply be dead.&nbsp; If he died &amp; was Revivified etc he'd be also be accepted.&nbsp; The patron granted her a single use of Revivify for this ritual.He eventually failed three saves &amp; died.Here's where things became uncertain(interesting?).&nbsp; The character is an ass &amp; has developed into an impediment to the party adventuring.&nbsp; And he's an impediment to me writing adventures for the group.&nbsp; This even after the player &amp; I having discussed the increasing problem.&nbsp; Things would actually go better game-wise if this character died/retired/left the party.&nbsp; Or the party left him.The other players know this.So he's dead.&nbsp; And the warlock has a one minute window to Revivify him....We set a one minute timer on my phone.The ex-pally player is sitting there looking at her like &quot;Well???&quot;The Warlock player seriously considered letting him die.&nbsp; And I think that was her original intent.&nbsp; But at the 53 second mark she hit stop &amp; asked for an insight check to discern her patrons will.&nbsp; My reply was that &quot;You asked your patron about accepting him.&nbsp; The patron agreed.&nbsp; He won't be of much use to your patron dead, but it's your call.&nbsp; That's why the patron granted&nbsp; you the Revivify spell.&quot;She cast Revivify.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not sure that's ideal result for the game, but she made the call.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ccs, post: 8046138, member: 6803664"] Just mostly slow. We added another player this session & they had to create a character, get caught up on campaign stuff, BS with some of us they hadn't seen for awhile, etc. All that was really accomplished story wise: The ex-paladin was finally baptized into the Cult of the Salmon in preparation of MC into Warlock (Celestial, Tome) the next time he lvs. by the Tiefling Warlock (also a Celestial Salmon cultist). See, some time back he proved unworthy of being a Paladin, was stripped of that class, and has been serving as fighter. I'm a 1e DM running 5e. You can [U]absolutely[/U] lose your special abilities in my game. This guy? A LG Paladin of Justice - who acted neither Good nor Lawfully, refused to help those in need, actually intentionally caused injustice, and finally?, when called to task for this? Renounced his deity. OK, well the god of Justice is not going to let his name be sullied & his blessings wasted/perverted. So a fighter you shall be.... Now this player insists upon using bits of FR lore about how the faithless will be interred into a cosmic wall upon death. So he's looking to find a replacement deity. [I][SIZE=2]{Never mind that I, the DM, have TOLD him that this doesn't apply in my game..... Oh well, I guess his [U]character[/U] can believe any wacky thing he wants.... Doesn't explain why the PLAYER refuses to believe me.}[/SIZE][/I] A few weeks back the Warlock player asked me, in-character, if she could induct him into the service of her patron. My answer was "Yes, the Salmon will accept any willing follower." I left the details of this conversion ritual up to her. She told him that it involved him getting drunk/stoned & then literally drowned to death in a river as he attempted to swim up-stream. If he makes his death saves he'd survive & be accepted by her patron. If he failed he'd simply be dead. If he died & was Revivified etc he'd be also be accepted. The patron granted her a single use of Revivify for this ritual. He eventually failed three saves & died. Here's where things became uncertain(interesting?). The character is an ass & has developed into an impediment to the party [I]adventuring[/I]. And he's an impediment to me [I]writing[/I] adventures for the group. This even after the player & I having discussed the increasing problem. Things would actually go better game-wise if this character died/retired/left the party. Or the party left him. The other players know this. So he's dead. And the warlock has a one minute window to Revivify him.... We set a one minute timer on my phone. The ex-pally player is sitting there looking at her like "Well???" The Warlock player [U]seriously[/U] considered letting him die. And I think that was her original intent. But at the 53 second mark she hit stop & asked for an insight check to discern her patrons will. My reply was that "You asked your patron about accepting him. The patron agreed. He won't be of much use to your patron dead, but it's your call. That's why the patron granted [I]you[/I] the Revivify spell." She cast Revivify. Not sure that's ideal result for the game, but she made the call. [/QUOTE]

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