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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9458023" data-attributes="member: 177">Look, I'm sorry, but for generative AI machines at this time, it is easy to say whether they think/understand or not.&nbsp; They do not.They are not magic.&nbsp; What goes on inside them is very well understood - maybe not by you, but by humans who make them.&nbsp; There's no mystery there.I can display complex behavior, solve novel problems that require understanding of the operation of the universe around me, have a sense of self, a sense that others also have similar senses of self, form abstractions and make deductions based on my own observations.&nbsp; And, as a really cognitively advanced critter, I can communicate about all those activities without even being asked, and spontaneously choose to display the pain of human cognition in the form of interpretive dance.Human and animal cognitive sciences don't know how everything works, but they can still say a lot about cognitive processes.&nbsp; Meanwhile, a LMM is hard pressed to pass a Turing Test.The answer is, &quot;somewhat, yes, we can&quot;.&nbsp; There's elements that are still unknown.&nbsp; Like most of science.On the other hand we know EXACTLY how the LLM is processing information.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9458023, member: 177"] Look, I'm sorry, but for generative AI machines at this time, it is easy to say whether they think/understand or not. They do not. They are not magic. What goes on inside them is very well understood - maybe not by you, but by humans who make them. There's no mystery there. I can display complex behavior, solve novel problems that require understanding of the operation of the universe around me, have a sense of self, a sense that others also have similar senses of self, form abstractions and make deductions based on my own observations. And, as a really cognitively advanced critter, I can communicate about all those activities without even being asked, and spontaneously choose to display the pain of human cognition in the form of interpretive dance. Human and animal cognitive sciences don't know how everything works, but they can still say a lot about cognitive processes. Meanwhile, a LMM is hard pressed to pass a Turing Test. The answer is, "somewhat, yes, we can". There's elements that are still unknown. Like most of science. On the other hand we know [I]EXACTLY[/I] how the LLM is processing information. [/QUOTE]

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