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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 9632702" data-attributes="member: 2205">As an aside, on the Steve Jackson board games comment, I don't have my board games handy because I just relocated less than a year ago and that wasn't a priority to unbox. But I do have a bunch of gamebooks and other books. I checked the two 5e books that I have; an older PHB and a third party book. They were printed in China and Korea, respectively. I checked a lot of the nice Flame Tree and Barnes & Noble books that I've bought recently to have nice copies of stuff. They were mostly printed in China, with one in India.When I checked my 3e books, literally ALL of them were printed in the US. Third party 3e books were a little more variable; I had China, Canada and some US. Novels, include game tie-in fiction like my Fantasy Flight Arkham Horror novels (printed in the '10s) were printed in the US. My slightly older Del Rey Lovecraft trade paperback collections were all printed in the US. I no longer have the packaging of the dice I bought. I'm pretty sure most of the dice I've bought in the last several years were made in China, other than the Q-Workshop dice which are made in Poland. I'd be surprised to find that the older dice I bought 15-20 years ago or more were made anywhere other than in the US.This isn't a problem, except short term. We certainly HAVE the capability to make stuff in the US, because not that long ago, we made all of that stuff here. Sure, sure... short term, there may be some ramp up required to get that stuff turned back on again. But this hand-wringing from SJG and others about "it can't be done!" is pretty easily debunked by looking at even slightly older gaming products that were made before the big scramble to send everything to China in the first place. Which as a procurement professional, I remember quite well when it was all the faddish rage. In my industry, we were forced to demonstrate to upper management that we'd quoted someone in China before we could source ANYTHING, although we didn't actually make a business case to go to China all that often, as it turned out, and the fad kinda petered out after a couple of years, as we looked for even cheaper markets.As another aside, being printed in China doesn't seem to have passed on any savings to the consumer. I noticed that the Eberron Campaign Setting and the 3.5 Pathfinder Campaign Setting, published only a few years apart, have the following traits: Eberron is printed in the US, is 50 pages longer than Golarion, and was $40 vs Golarion's $50. You got less content, for more money, printed in China, from Paizo. Eberron was published in 2004, Pathfinder in 2008. Sure, sure... I don't know about the print run sizes or what kind of deals Paizo was able to negotiate for printing vs WotC, and I'm sure that's a factor. But again; for less content and a cheaper manufacturing location, at the very least, you'd expect the price to be the same, not significantly higher.Just some context around the discussion and what the likely ramifications are. In my experience, still as a Purchasing professional, where literally everything that I buy comes from Mexico right now, all of this tariff business has created a lot of drama at work, needless to say. Most peoples' reactions are based on faulty narratives and assumptions that haven't at all turned out to be true, though, and people like me with an economics background are struggling not to say I Told You So an awful lot...UPDATE: I think it's worth pointing out that the 5e books are notoriously badly made, and the binding falls apart (reportedly) pretty easily. My copy is OK, but feels noticeably cheaper than my 3e/3.5 books, which are much older. Haven't ever heard that complaint about older material.</blockquote>

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