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<blockquote data-quote="delphonso" data-source="post: 7153027" data-attributes="member: 6892015"><p>I think you raise some really excellent points in your post about assumptions. I think there's some confusion over whether the OP meant "be a person" as in to be an individual, or to be recognized as equal to people. Of course, in Star Wars, I think we're talking about all Sentients, rather than just humans.</p><p></p><p>One thing to keep in mind as we go forward is that Star Wars is an absolute mess about consistency. Love it as much as I do, it's clear that Lucas was thinking about broader things than the fine details. In a lot of ways, that's why I love Star Wars - because there's so much in it that was clearly not thought through and has some really interesting connotations. </p><p></p><p>In The Clone Wars series, droids are depicted as goofy enemies, having fear, ambition, and other emotions. Why would anyone program these into combat droids which are supposed to be soldiers? It wasn't thought through - it's just how they act because they're the enemy and it's a cute laugh for kids. Why would droids talk out loud instead of communicating at the speed of their processors? Because they're in a movie and that's just not a good film. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't postulating this as my own idea. I'm pretty certain this is the explanation within the Star Wars canon. Certain, cheaper models of droids more quickly develop their personalities and need to be memory wiped quicker. It goes so far as to say that certain models all have similar problems in their programming. R5 units are supposedly quick to turn melancholic, depressed or morose. </p><p></p><p>Whether this is still true in the canon or not, I have no idea. But that's what I remember.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're definitely right. I think there's enough evidence for preserving a continuity, but whether a droid would strive to be a person or not is hard to determine. The OP posted that the droid already got the "want to be a person" personality quirk, and wanted to speculate on how they might go about that. So the striving to be a person is already established. The question is more about how do droids perceive "humanity" (I guess "sentiency" is better) and how would they go about joining that?</p><p></p><p>Whether a droid would ever develop this quirk is an entirely different question.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delphonso, post: 7153027, member: 6892015"] I think you raise some really excellent points in your post about assumptions. I think there's some confusion over whether the OP meant "be a person" as in to be an individual, or to be recognized as equal to people. Of course, in Star Wars, I think we're talking about all Sentients, rather than just humans. One thing to keep in mind as we go forward is that Star Wars is an absolute mess about consistency. Love it as much as I do, it's clear that Lucas was thinking about broader things than the fine details. In a lot of ways, that's why I love Star Wars - because there's so much in it that was clearly not thought through and has some really interesting connotations. In The Clone Wars series, droids are depicted as goofy enemies, having fear, ambition, and other emotions. Why would anyone program these into combat droids which are supposed to be soldiers? It wasn't thought through - it's just how they act because they're the enemy and it's a cute laugh for kids. Why would droids talk out loud instead of communicating at the speed of their processors? Because they're in a movie and that's just not a good film. I wasn't postulating this as my own idea. I'm pretty certain this is the explanation within the Star Wars canon. Certain, cheaper models of droids more quickly develop their personalities and need to be memory wiped quicker. It goes so far as to say that certain models all have similar problems in their programming. R5 units are supposedly quick to turn melancholic, depressed or morose. Whether this is still true in the canon or not, I have no idea. But that's what I remember. You're definitely right. I think there's enough evidence for preserving a continuity, but whether a droid would strive to be a person or not is hard to determine. The OP posted that the droid already got the "want to be a person" personality quirk, and wanted to speculate on how they might go about that. So the striving to be a person is already established. The question is more about how do droids perceive "humanity" (I guess "sentiency" is better) and how would they go about joining that? Whether a droid would ever develop this quirk is an entirely different question. [/QUOTE]
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