Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7153701" data-attributes="member: 4937">I've already suggest droid focused terrorist groups.  I don't think your assumption that I'm making assumptions of the universality of rational self-interest are as large as you think.  But we are talking about a mature AI using society with mature manufacturing techniques and generally speaking mass produced robots.Do you write code?First, I'm not convinced that the sort of black box neural networks we are using now are sufficiently robust to form the backbone of true commercial AI.  They might make for good expert systems for consulting if you are a doctor or a lawyer, and thereby replace for example legal interns.  But even if they were using some sort of evolutionary black box methodology, you'd only get human behavior out of that if you simulated human selection pressures.  And why would you do that?I'm not saying that there wouldn't be one off droids with weird personality quirks that had gone through insufficient QA and had amateur designers without access to a companies boilerplate libraries.  I've already suggested that weak or immature AI fed the wrong sort of input could develop the quirk, "Wants to be a real boy."   But of all the weird bugs to have, that would be an exceptional weird one and there would be almost an infinite number of bugs that are more common.   The idea that "wants to be a real boy" would just naturally evolve, along with all other sorts of human behavior just because humans work that way is the misconception that I'm trying to deal with.   Speaking of.Ambition for what?  To obtain social dominance in a simian band by accumulating power, wealth, or sexual partners?   What is this 'ambition' you speak of?  What is this 'laziness' you speak of?   You've just introduced emotional goal driven behavior, but you haven't defined the emotional goal driven behavior.  You've just left it hanging there like it's obvious what it is simply because humans have experienced it.  But there is no reason to assume that droids would need equivalent emotions or that their nearest emotional equivalent behavior would have the same context, goals, and expressions that humans have.   What would an 'ambitious' R2-D2 be like?   Laziness is perhaps easier to understand, and you probably would have 'lazy' droids.  But it wouldn't necessarily have the same causes or expressions as human laziness.   Put it in context and you'll see what I mean.   Sure, but Star Wars is a dominant human space, and so far as we can tell no widespread species views AI's as heirs or peers and builds them for that purpose.   And I think it's complex enough to deal with the alienness of an AI without dealing with the alienness of an AI built by an alien.   Presumably an r-strategy breeder that didn't care if their droids turned out to be bad at not stepping on babies, also themselves didn't care too much if they stepped on babies.   What we are talking about really is more like an r-strategy breeder building a machine that enjoyed stepping on babies.  Hopefully even an r-strategy breeder would see the dangers of a strong AI with that as a strong and unchecked priority.I bring it for the obvious reason that the original question is flawed.  R2-D2 and C3-P0 already see themselves as persons.</blockquote>

Verification