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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 7171427" data-attributes="member: 1879"><p>A bit, but my skills are ancient and rusty. Human (and broader biological) psychology and neurology are more my field. I don't know much about modern AI programming but neural networks are pretty simple.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I not sure why you keep inserting the word human into your responses. Who said anything about human? I said evolutionary selection pressures. In a sufficiently iterative selection system you will evolve responses whose only function is to ensure that the system continues to be selected. In an AI this could easily lead to behaviors that may not be what the designer might have wanted, like C-3P0's sycophancy or the fear droids often displayed. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The definitions are ignored because they are not required. These words describe both drives and behaviors, and the behaviors are emergent, not predetermined. And again, you keep pointless dragging humans into a discussion where they are not called for. Ambition in the social sense can be seen in any group oriented species. Ambition in the sense of accomplishment can be seen in several species who use constructed displays to attract mates like bower birds and some fish. Laziness is likewise hardly a human unique trait. And both ambition and laziness are valuable traits in a droid because they constitute a drive that can be channeled to improve the droids task performance. Without them you would have to either abandon iterative improvements to industrial processes, or invest significantly in some sort of 3rd party feedback generation. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, the point was raised in discussion of a droid with properties you are claiming would be absurdly unlikely because they would be dangerous from our human viewpoint. My point was that properties dangerous to humans might be of no concern to other species and in the cosmopolitan star wars galaxy there is every possibility that species X has built droids that randomly step on babies, belch cyanide gas, or possess transcendental ambitions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andor, post: 7171427, member: 1879"] A bit, but my skills are ancient and rusty. Human (and broader biological) psychology and neurology are more my field. I don't know much about modern AI programming but neural networks are pretty simple. I not sure why you keep inserting the word human into your responses. Who said anything about human? I said evolutionary selection pressures. In a sufficiently iterative selection system you will evolve responses whose only function is to ensure that the system continues to be selected. In an AI this could easily lead to behaviors that may not be what the designer might have wanted, like C-3P0's sycophancy or the fear droids often displayed. The definitions are ignored because they are not required. These words describe both drives and behaviors, and the behaviors are emergent, not predetermined. And again, you keep pointless dragging humans into a discussion where they are not called for. Ambition in the social sense can be seen in any group oriented species. Ambition in the sense of accomplishment can be seen in several species who use constructed displays to attract mates like bower birds and some fish. Laziness is likewise hardly a human unique trait. And both ambition and laziness are valuable traits in a droid because they constitute a drive that can be channeled to improve the droids task performance. Without them you would have to either abandon iterative improvements to industrial processes, or invest significantly in some sort of 3rd party feedback generation. No, the point was raised in discussion of a droid with properties you are claiming would be absurdly unlikely because they would be dangerous from our human viewpoint. My point was that properties dangerous to humans might be of no concern to other species and in the cosmopolitan star wars galaxy there is every possibility that species X has built droids that randomly step on babies, belch cyanide gas, or possess transcendental ambitions. [/QUOTE]
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