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How would societies be different if I threw genetics out the window?
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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1582278" data-attributes="member: 5171"><p>Agree.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Disagree. Polyamorous relationships might be seen as hedonistic in our current society -- heck, they might <strong>be</strong> hedonistic in our current society -- but that's at least in part because the people practicing those relationships in this society are the ones who are rebelling against existing societal standards. The polyamorous people are, in United States society, the very liberal-minded rebels who refuse to conform to traditional notions of "family".</p><p></p><p>In a society where polygamy is seen as good and right and proper, an excellent way to combine resources and ensure common loyalty in defense of the weak and defenseless members of the family (the children and the aged, for example), the people you'll find in polyamorous relationships won't be the ones who are rebelling against societal notions of "family" -- you'll find the stalwart traditionalist folks living as third husband in a serial family or something along those lines.</p><p></p><p>In fact, in a society with a strong polyamorous basis, monogamy might be seen as selfish, shallow, and fearful -- a person who loves his community so little that he must draw away from it, a person who obviously does not have the good of the community at heart.</p><p></p><p>As you yourself said, Elder-bas, if you say that the traditional form of the family is something radically different, you need to take the societal changes into account. A radically different family will, if the society is to survive, go hand in hand with a radically different set of ethics that allow for the continuation of that sort of family. That could be anything from hippie peacenik free-love stuff to traditional laws and courtship (or even, on a darker end, to a dark wolf-pack-style family, with an alpha male and female and with the weaker members kept in line by force, and with those outside the family either driven off, killed, or captured and forced into the family as a new member).</p><p></p><p>You can take something like polygamy and make it whatever alignment and efficiency level you like, depending on the world you want to create. I don't believe that polyamory or monogamy is inherently good or evil, effective or decadent. (I'm monogamous, for the record, because I was raised monogamous and because both my wife and I know ourselves well enough to know that trying to change something that ingrained in both of us would be messy and ugly and probably not worth it. That's only our situation. Your mileage may vary. Find something that works for you.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="takyris, post: 1582278, member: 5171"] Agree. Disagree. Polyamorous relationships might be seen as hedonistic in our current society -- heck, they might [b]be[/b] hedonistic in our current society -- but that's at least in part because the people practicing those relationships in this society are the ones who are rebelling against existing societal standards. The polyamorous people are, in United States society, the very liberal-minded rebels who refuse to conform to traditional notions of "family". In a society where polygamy is seen as good and right and proper, an excellent way to combine resources and ensure common loyalty in defense of the weak and defenseless members of the family (the children and the aged, for example), the people you'll find in polyamorous relationships won't be the ones who are rebelling against societal notions of "family" -- you'll find the stalwart traditionalist folks living as third husband in a serial family or something along those lines. In fact, in a society with a strong polyamorous basis, monogamy might be seen as selfish, shallow, and fearful -- a person who loves his community so little that he must draw away from it, a person who obviously does not have the good of the community at heart. As you yourself said, Elder-bas, if you say that the traditional form of the family is something radically different, you need to take the societal changes into account. A radically different family will, if the society is to survive, go hand in hand with a radically different set of ethics that allow for the continuation of that sort of family. That could be anything from hippie peacenik free-love stuff to traditional laws and courtship (or even, on a darker end, to a dark wolf-pack-style family, with an alpha male and female and with the weaker members kept in line by force, and with those outside the family either driven off, killed, or captured and forced into the family as a new member). You can take something like polygamy and make it whatever alignment and efficiency level you like, depending on the world you want to create. I don't believe that polyamory or monogamy is inherently good or evil, effective or decadent. (I'm monogamous, for the record, because I was raised monogamous and because both my wife and I know ourselves well enough to know that trying to change something that ingrained in both of us would be messy and ugly and probably not worth it. That's only our situation. Your mileage may vary. Find something that works for you.) [/QUOTE]
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