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<blockquote data-quote="Quartz" data-source="post: 5423306" data-attributes="member: 40552"><p>Umm.. no, +2 on each is standard d20. And don't forget that the character is losing other things like the BAB and the HP.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Identical bonuses apart from Dodge don't stack, even in D20, so you'd only get a +2 Class Bonus. At 2nd and 3rd level you'd get a +1 level bonus for +3 overall. So a Ftr 1 / Rog 1 / Rgr 1 would have saves of +3/+3/+1, not +4/+4/+0.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see where I'm not being clear. You get a class bonus. Class bonuses do not stack.</p><p></p><p>Let me give an example. Consider a Ftr 4 / Rgr 4. Base F/R/W saves are +4, but F and R each get a +2 Class bonus for +6/+6/+4. Fort only gets the single bonus because identical bonuses don't stack. Under D20 you'd get a double bonus to Fort and a single bonus to Ref and the saves would be +12/+4/+2. I think my tweak gives a much more reasonable result, don't you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see. Yes, quite correct.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, but I'm not going that route. Different stats apply to different things - for instance STR still gives damage bonuses and Con still gives HP bonuses - but in the case of saves, there are two stats which can apply and you take the better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quartz, post: 5423306, member: 40552"] Umm.. no, +2 on each is standard d20. And don't forget that the character is losing other things like the BAB and the HP. Identical bonuses apart from Dodge don't stack, even in D20, so you'd only get a +2 Class Bonus. At 2nd and 3rd level you'd get a +1 level bonus for +3 overall. So a Ftr 1 / Rog 1 / Rgr 1 would have saves of +3/+3/+1, not +4/+4/+0. I don't see where I'm not being clear. You get a class bonus. Class bonuses do not stack. Let me give an example. Consider a Ftr 4 / Rgr 4. Base F/R/W saves are +4, but F and R each get a +2 Class bonus for +6/+6/+4. Fort only gets the single bonus because identical bonuses don't stack. Under D20 you'd get a double bonus to Fort and a single bonus to Ref and the saves would be +12/+4/+2. I think my tweak gives a much more reasonable result, don't you? I see. Yes, quite correct. Ah, but I'm not going that route. Different stats apply to different things - for instance STR still gives damage bonuses and Con still gives HP bonuses - but in the case of saves, there are two stats which can apply and you take the better. [/QUOTE]
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