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<blockquote data-quote="Lidgar" data-source="post: 6983621" data-attributes="member: 28334">I think it was a dream. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> The rules for surprise are pretty brief and uncomplicated:As others have pointed out, many DM's simply roll one stealth check for a group of monsters/opponents vs individual ones. In any case, if a creature notices a threat (any threat, it does not have to notice every opponent), that creature is not surprised. However, a creature that fails to perceive any threat would be surprised. So you could have a case where a party has three characters, A, B and C. Each have different passive perception scores:A = 10B = 12C = 14The DM rolls a stealth check for a group of bandits that are trying to ambush the party, X, Y and Z, rolling once for the whole group, and gets a result of 12. In this case, characters B and C are not surprised, while character A is surprised, and is unable to take an action on its first turn of the combat, and it can’t take a reaction until its turn ends. Alternatively, the DM could roll for the individual bandits, getting:X = 11Y = 12Z = 13In this case, character A is still surprised while B and C are not (both perceive at least one threat). However, character B fails to notice one of the bandits (bandit Z), and that bandit is considered hidden from her.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lidgar, post: 6983621, member: 28334"] I think it was a dream. :) The rules for surprise are pretty brief and uncomplicated: As others have pointed out, many DM's simply roll one stealth check for a group of monsters/opponents vs individual ones. In any case, if a creature notices a threat (any threat, it does not have to notice every opponent), that creature is not surprised. However, a creature that fails to perceive any threat would be surprised. So you could have a case where a party has three characters, A, B and C. Each have different passive perception scores: A = 10 B = 12 C = 14 The DM rolls a stealth check for a group of bandits that are trying to ambush the party, X, Y and Z, rolling once for the whole group, and gets a result of 12. In this case, characters B and C are not surprised, while character A is surprised, and is unable to take an action on its first turn of the combat, and it can’t take a reaction until its turn ends. Alternatively, the DM could roll for the individual bandits, getting: X = 11 Y = 12 Z = 13 In this case, character A is still surprised while B and C are not (both perceive at least one threat). However, character B fails to notice one of the bandits (bandit Z), and that bandit is considered hidden from her. [/QUOTE]

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