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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1979993" data-attributes="member: 2011">On the blindsense issue, Dragons have blindsense, not blindsight. This does not make much of a difference except that the Wall of Force has total concealment against the dragon and hence, the dragon has a 50% miss chance against it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Only kidding.What this means is that the Dragon can sense the wall at the last possible instance, but not see it.The other aspect of this is that most of the time, the only way to get this tactic to work is for the Wizard to have a Readied Action to do it.This basically negates Spellcraft for the Dragon, etc. with respect to avoiding the wall. By the time the Dragon notices the spell casting, it is too late (rules-wise) and the wall is too big to avoid. The DM might allow the Dragon to get off a Quickened Dispel Magic (to counterspell) or Quickened Dimension Door (or some such) if he makes his Spellcraft roll, but most Dragons will not have that available. Most Dragons will have no options and crash into the wall, even if they make their Spellcraft to notice what the Wizard cast.An evil DM might allow the Dragon a reflex saving throw to disrupt the spell completely (i.e. &quot;The wall must be continuous and unbroken when formed. If its surface is broken by any object or creature, the spell fails.&quot;).Mostly, this tactic will just tick off the Dragon and he will Hover behind the Wall of Force from one half of the battlefield for the cover bonus (improved +8 cover if only his head sticks out) and use his breath weapon to devastate the party.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1979993, member: 2011"] On the blindsense issue, Dragons have blindsense, not blindsight. This does not make much of a difference except that the Wall of Force has total concealment against the dragon and hence, the dragon has a 50% miss chance against it. ;) Only kidding. What this means is that the Dragon can sense the wall at the last possible instance, but not see it. The other aspect of this is that most of the time, the only way to get this tactic to work is for the Wizard to have a Readied Action to do it. This basically negates Spellcraft for the Dragon, etc. with respect to avoiding the wall. By the time the Dragon notices the spell casting, it is too late (rules-wise) and the wall is too big to avoid. The DM might allow the Dragon to get off a Quickened Dispel Magic (to counterspell) or Quickened Dimension Door (or some such) if he makes his Spellcraft roll, but most Dragons will not have that available. Most Dragons will have no options and crash into the wall, even if they make their Spellcraft to notice what the Wizard cast. An evil DM might allow the Dragon a reflex saving throw to disrupt the spell completely (i.e. "The wall must be continuous and unbroken when formed. If its surface is broken by any object or creature, the spell fails."). Mostly, this tactic will just tick off the Dragon and he will Hover behind the Wall of Force from one half of the battlefield for the cover bonus (improved +8 cover if only his head sticks out) and use his breath weapon to devastate the party. [/QUOTE]

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