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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1981670" data-attributes="member: 2011">What if the Wizard goes invisible first? Blindsense does not allow the dragon to see him, only sense him and then only within 60 feet.The party does have a round to prepare as per the original post ("medium-level party travelling outdoors, they see a dragon at distance (probably at least 500'), the key here is they are not suprised.").With Hover, the dragon cannot evade the wall. Hover takes a move action to stop and hover and the dragon does not have the time.On the Wingover issue, not all Dragons have the feat. In fact, most would not.But, for 1D6 of damage per 50 feet movement (if that is what you are using) that is lowered by Damage Reduction, I would not give the Dragon any sort of save against a 5th level spell. Most of this damage would bounce off of most dragons. Either the Dragon has Wingover and avoids the wall, or it does not and hits the wall.</blockquote>