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<blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 379227" data-attributes="member: 1560">Non-sequiturs are cool.Oh wait, I think I have a point to make after all...You may feel every living thing in the D&amp;D world should have PC classes. That is obviously your point. Why use Warrior at all when you can take Fighter, right? Whatever floats your boat. I'm not going to try and change your opinion. All street urchins are minimum 11th level rogues. Fine. All town malitia guards are 9th level fighters or better. OK. Every village healer is at least a 14th level cleric. Un huh.But don't try and make that a basis for showing how wrong other people are for trying to maintain the balance the rules call for.NPC classes are supposed to be under par with PC classes. That's the point.Warrior is the combat oriented NPC class. It's the only one with fighter BAB progression. Like it or not. To give the same thing to Aristocrats does indeed make Warrior obsolete. You may have no problem with that, but I don't recall the topic being &quot;Let's get rid of the Warrior class and make Aristocrats good fighters&quot;.Now, having said that...Aristocrat has a lot going for it. It is a viable PC class. Assuming it's what you want for your PC, of course.Can you pull off a &quot;noble&quot; PC without it? Sure. Can you make a cool PC with it? Absolutely. Does it have an advantage other clases don't? A few, but not really.Use it or don't. But don't make it the uber class or it becomes the obvious choice for front loading multiclassers. That's all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Corwin, post: 379227, member: 1560"] Non-sequiturs are cool. Oh wait, I think I have a point to make after all... You may feel every living thing in the D&D world should have PC classes. That is obviously your point. Why use Warrior at all when you can take Fighter, right? Whatever floats your boat. I'm not going to try and change your opinion. All street urchins are minimum 11th level rogues. Fine. All town malitia guards are 9th level fighters or better. OK. Every village healer is at least a 14th level cleric. Un huh. But don't try and make that a basis for showing how wrong other people are for trying to maintain the balance the rules call for. NPC classes are supposed to be under par with PC classes. That's the point. Warrior is [i]the[/i] combat oriented NPC class. It's the only one with fighter BAB progression. Like it or not. To give the same thing to Aristocrats does indeed make Warrior obsolete. You may have no problem with that, but I don't recall the topic being "Let's get rid of the Warrior class and make Aristocrats good fighters". Now, having said that... Aristocrat has a lot going for it. It is a viable PC class. Assuming it's what you want for your PC, of course. Can you pull off a "noble" PC without it? Sure. Can you make a cool PC with it? Absolutely. Does it have an advantage other clases don't? A few, but not really. Use it or don't. But don't make it the uber class or it becomes the obvious choice for front loading multiclassers. That's all. [/QUOTE]

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