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<blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 382392" data-attributes="member: 1560">Then you didn't understand what I was saying. I never proposed #1. In fact, I stated something approaching the opposite. If you make a very good class that provides everything a 1st level PC needs (BAB, money, skills, saves), it becomes irresistable.Yeah. Which is why I'm glad I didn't say them.I don't want it both ways. I voted to leave Aristocrat the way it is. Or didn't you get that?That's your opinion. One I don't subscribe to.Says you.Nice color. But irrelevant. I use the Warrior class for my NPCs. I have had no problems with it. IMO, it has its place.I guess you are also disgusted by the Commoner class, right? Even a 2nd level Commoner pisses you off, huh? I mean, why take a level in something that lame when you can be a Barbarian.It seems interesting that I'm the one advocating leaving Aristocrat the way they are so all PCs won't want it. And yet, you seem to be stating that no one (even NPCs) should ever take an inferior class. You seem to be placing NPCs in the same realm as PCs.So, do you allow your players to take any PrC they have ever seen? After all, they have &quot;access&quot; to all of them. I would hope not. It's all a matter of access. If there are no Knights of the Inner Circle to recruit you, you can't be one, right? That is the same problem for NPCs. You can't just decide to be a Fighter. You need to invest a lot of time, energy and training. Not every farmer is going to have that available to them. So they are Commoners. They spend their lives farming, not fighting.I guess we have no serious discussion here. You feel the entire class system needs an overhaul. I don't. Let's leave it at that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Corwin, post: 382392, member: 1560"] Then you didn't understand what I was saying. I never proposed #1. In fact, I stated something approaching the opposite. If you make a very good class that provides everything a 1st level PC needs (BAB, money, skills, saves), it becomes irresistable. Yeah. Which is why I'm glad I didn't say them. I don't want it both ways. I voted to leave Aristocrat the way it is. Or didn't you get that? That's your opinion. One I don't subscribe to. Says you. Nice color. But irrelevant. I use the Warrior class for my NPCs. I have had no problems with it. IMO, it has its place. I guess you are also disgusted by the Commoner class, right? Even a 2nd level Commoner pisses you off, huh? I mean, why take a level in something that lame when you can be a Barbarian. It seems interesting that I'm the one advocating leaving Aristocrat the way they are so all PCs won't want it. And yet, you seem to be stating that no one (even NPCs) should ever take an inferior class. You seem to be placing NPCs in the same realm as PCs. So, do you allow your players to take [b]any[/b] PrC they have ever seen? After all, they have "access" to all of them. I would hope not. It's all a matter of access. If there are no Knights of the Inner Circle to recruit you, you can't be one, right? That is the same problem for NPCs. You can't just decide to be a Fighter. You need to invest a lot of time, energy and training. Not every farmer is going to have that available to them. So they are Commoners. They spend their lives farming, not fighting. I guess we have no serious discussion here. You feel the entire class system needs an overhaul. I don't. Let's leave it at that. [/QUOTE]

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