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<blockquote data-quote="MightIsRight" data-source="post: 1625377" data-attributes="member: 19599">I don't think the cleric needs much &quot;fixing&quot;.&nbsp; Yeah, it's a tough class and is a great fighter and the best healer.&nbsp; Not a lot of people want to play a cleric though.&nbsp; I'm playing a cleric right now and I really like it, but originally I &quot;picked&quot; to be the cleric because I was the last one to roll my character.&nbsp; I'm having a blast with him now (I think making him a dwarf is part of why I like him), but originally I wasn't interested and I think that's how a lot of people feel.The cleric is a powerful class, but I don't think it's powerful enough that it requires balancing.However, I do think the bard needs to be beefed up.&nbsp; The bard isn't really written to be a formidable hero.&nbsp; S/He is very much a support role for the party.&nbsp; Whatever the party is lacking, the bard can pick up the slack with the right allocation of skills and feats.&nbsp; The bard can be the thief if no one wants to be it.&nbsp; S/He can be a second class healer or wizard if the party needs it.&nbsp; Their basically back up for the party.&nbsp; In regards to the songs, I definately think there needs to be more.&nbsp; They have good songs at the moment, but are very limited.&nbsp; I'd love to see bard song lists the length of a wizards spell list.&nbsp; And the songs should be similar to socerer's spells in that the bard learns songs and then doesn't have to prep them during the day.&nbsp; There should be songs for just about everything.&nbsp; Take a look at the Everquest bard.&nbsp; Bards are sought after by some groups for what they bring.&nbsp; Songs should range from giving boni to attack, damage, resists, AC, etc.&nbsp; But maybe throw in a song that when played within 10 feet of someone casting cure light wounds maximizes the spell.&nbsp; I like the idea of a song that decreases random encounters.&nbsp; In my opinion there needs to be many more bard songs with a huge range of benifits and make them be able to sing a significant number of times per day.&nbsp; That would make them a much more viable class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MightIsRight, post: 1625377, member: 19599"] I don't think the cleric needs much "fixing". Yeah, it's a tough class and is a great fighter and the best healer. Not a lot of people want to play a cleric though. I'm playing a cleric right now and I really like it, but originally I "picked" to be the cleric because I was the last one to roll my character. I'm having a blast with him now (I think making him a dwarf is part of why I like him), but originally I wasn't interested and I think that's how a lot of people feel. The cleric is a powerful class, but I don't think it's powerful enough that it requires balancing. However, I do think the bard needs to be beefed up. The bard isn't really written to be a formidable hero. S/He is very much a support role for the party. Whatever the party is lacking, the bard can pick up the slack with the right allocation of skills and feats. The bard can be the thief if no one wants to be it. S/He can be a second class healer or wizard if the party needs it. Their basically back up for the party. In regards to the songs, I definately think there needs to be more. They have good songs at the moment, but are very limited. I'd love to see bard song lists the length of a wizards spell list. And the songs should be similar to socerer's spells in that the bard learns songs and then doesn't have to prep them during the day. There should be songs for just about everything. Take a look at the Everquest bard. Bards are sought after by some groups for what they bring. Songs should range from giving boni to attack, damage, resists, AC, etc. But maybe throw in a song that when played within 10 feet of someone casting cure light wounds maximizes the spell. I like the idea of a song that decreases random encounters. In my opinion there needs to be many more bard songs with a huge range of benifits and make them be able to sing a significant number of times per day. That would make them a much more viable class. [/QUOTE]

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