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<blockquote data-quote="comrade raoul" data-source="post: 1625492" data-attributes="member: 554">My favorite cleric fix is very simple: just remove divine favor, divine power, and righteous might from the class's spell list. The cleric is still tough, fun to play, a competent fighter in a pinch and still has a wide array of useful spells -- but you've eliminated any incentive that munchkins might have to play a hardcore battle-cleric who focuses on self-buffs and ignores the rest of the party (which seems to me to be counter to the spirit of the cleric, anyway).As for the bard, I'd bump the hit die up to d8 and give the bard a bonus feat at 4th level and every 3 levels thereafter (7th, 10th, 13th, 16th, and 19th). This might seem excessive on paper, but I really don't think it is -- it makes the bard more versatile and better able to last a couple of rounds in melee, but doesn't make him an appealing choice for munchkins or make him better at anything that another class does best.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="comrade raoul, post: 1625492, member: 554"] My favorite cleric fix is very simple: just remove [i]divine favor[/i], [i]divine power[/i], and [i]righteous might[/i] from the class's spell list. The cleric is still tough, fun to play, a competent fighter in a pinch and still has a wide array of useful spells -- but you've eliminated any incentive that munchkins might have to play a hardcore battle-cleric who focuses on self-buffs and ignores the rest of the party (which seems to me to be counter to the spirit of the cleric, anyway). As for the bard, I'd bump the hit die up to d8 and give the bard a bonus feat at 4th level and every 3 levels thereafter (7th, 10th, 13th, 16th, and 19th). This might seem excessive on paper, but I really don't think it is -- it makes the bard more versatile and better able to last a couple of rounds in melee, but doesn't make him an appealing choice for munchkins or make him better at anything that another class does best. [/QUOTE]

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