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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gargoyle" data-source="post: 1626615" data-attributes="member: 529">Like Shilsen, my house rule for clerics is that they do not gain heavy armor proficiency.  I do think they are a bit too powerful, but not grossly overpowered.  Clerics having heavy armor seems to intrude into the fighter's arena, and I like to see more use of medium armor anyway.The problem with the bard is that unless your group is very large, you don't need a character who is a jack of all trades / buffer.  You're much better off with a specialist, so bards (at lower and mid levels anyway) aren't really as useful.  In a bigger group, they're great if played well, so I don't really think they need any more changes.  Balance is not absolute, it varies tremendously from campaign to campaign, and I think bards have their place.However, for bards, I'm considering the prestige bard from Unearthed Arcana for my next campaign.  I think all bards should be worldly, and a first level bard seems like a contradiction.  Plus, I really think bards should only be played by experienced players who know something about what they're getting into.  If a newbie gamer wanted to play a bard, I think I'd encourage him to try something else first.  (Gotta love memories of that 1E bard)</blockquote>