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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mirrorrorrim" data-source="post: 9031650" data-attributes="member: 7040132">OK, here's a project. What are other Strength or Constitution-based ability checks that exist, that are best represented by being able to train in them? They need to be represented by skills that are so integral that they deserve to be in the Skill list, especially following the rules of ability checks that skills don't add new actions or powers? We also cannot include rolls that are best depicted to avoid harm, like saving throws.I'll take a stab:Strength (Exert Might) - This is Bend Bars/Lift Gates/Bust Down Doors/Toss Dwarves.Constitution (Endurance) - Forced March? Running Duration? Holding Breath? (Seems like a Saving Throw after you go so far, not a skill)That's it! I would not separate out Climb, Swim, and Jump from Athletics.</blockquote>