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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7886894" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>Well, yes, if someone else had made the movie, it would be different. That's not really arguable. However, what in TLJ hooks into the resolution of the story? Taking your questions above:</p><p></p><p>1. Rey isn't the daughter of someone special. What does that mean?</p><p>Nothing, really, as far as more story goes. This doesn't provide a hook for more story, it resolves a story unless you do something to it that retcons a part of it. Rey as nobody is cool as hell, but it's not good for much for further storytelling -- it doesn't hook.</p><p></p><p>2. How did that kid (and others) start becoming force sensitive?</p><p>I'd say that their existence is worth more, but really only if we're going to do a time skip to the point that the kids can be part of the story rather than background. And, this doesn't offer more story, just more opportunity for story sometime later. It's another open end that doesn't hook.</p><p></p><p>3. What about Finn and Rose?</p><p>A new romance angle hardly is a basis for a new episode.</p><p></p><p>4. Did Poe learn a valuable lesson from Holdo? How does that play into the next movie? </p><p>Again, neat character note like Finn and Rose, but not what you hook a new episode on.</p><p></p><p>All and all, TLJ introduces a lot of interesting character things, but leaves the story largely in the same place it found it -- fewer resources, more pluck, but no change. ESB left Han captured (clearly a good hook for the next) and fundamentally altered how Luke approached the Empire which leads to the big confrontation at the end of RotJ. Even AofC does a great job of setting up future conflicts that didn't exist at the start of the movie. TLJ doesn't do this. Rey and Ren are still in conflict, just like at the beginning, just with some more wrinkles. There's no change in the status quo anywhere that demands resolution in the last movie. JJ faced the task of having to both create the problem to be solved and solving it in one movie. While I full-throatedly agree that JJ is a bit hacky and his vision was a bit reductionist and par for his course, he wasn't left with a better option. I'd be much more prone to criticism of tRoS if he'd been left with clear, strong hooks out of TLJ and then botched it. As it is, he wasn't, so whatever he did was because he had to. That you disagree with his vision is therefore just tastes rather than a failure in filmmaking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7886894, member: 16814"] Well, yes, if someone else had made the movie, it would be different. That's not really arguable. However, what in TLJ hooks into the resolution of the story? Taking your questions above: 1. Rey isn't the daughter of someone special. What does that mean? Nothing, really, as far as more story goes. This doesn't provide a hook for more story, it resolves a story unless you do something to it that retcons a part of it. Rey as nobody is cool as hell, but it's not good for much for further storytelling -- it doesn't hook. 2. How did that kid (and others) start becoming force sensitive? I'd say that their existence is worth more, but really only if we're going to do a time skip to the point that the kids can be part of the story rather than background. And, this doesn't offer more story, just more opportunity for story sometime later. It's another open end that doesn't hook. 3. What about Finn and Rose? A new romance angle hardly is a basis for a new episode. 4. Did Poe learn a valuable lesson from Holdo? How does that play into the next movie? Again, neat character note like Finn and Rose, but not what you hook a new episode on. All and all, TLJ introduces a lot of interesting character things, but leaves the story largely in the same place it found it -- fewer resources, more pluck, but no change. ESB left Han captured (clearly a good hook for the next) and fundamentally altered how Luke approached the Empire which leads to the big confrontation at the end of RotJ. Even AofC does a great job of setting up future conflicts that didn't exist at the start of the movie. TLJ doesn't do this. Rey and Ren are still in conflict, just like at the beginning, just with some more wrinkles. There's no change in the status quo anywhere that demands resolution in the last movie. JJ faced the task of having to both create the problem to be solved and solving it in one movie. While I full-throatedly agree that JJ is a bit hacky and his vision was a bit reductionist and par for his course, he wasn't left with a better option. I'd be much more prone to criticism of tRoS if he'd been left with clear, strong hooks out of TLJ and then botched it. As it is, he wasn't, so whatever he did was because he had to. That you disagree with his vision is therefore just tastes rather than a failure in filmmaking. [/QUOTE]
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