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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 3250075" data-attributes="member: 2067">The torture is what does it. Without the torture, they're on pretty solidly Good ground, but the moment they delve into torture, they compromise the whole &quot;protect the innocent&quot; schtick. Torture is an Evil Thing, placing the torturer's goals above the integrity, safety, and quality of life of those tortured, no matter what means are used, no matter how noble the end goal. If torturing one person saves one million, the torture is still evil. Even if the torture is something like water torture, or sleep deprivation, or ritual humiliation (e.g.: more mental in nature than physical), you are removing the other person's humanity, their free choice, to serve your own ends. Even if they're evil themselves, even if who you're torturing would torture others to get to you, even if they kick puppies and shoot babies and seduce your daughters and give blood sacrifice to their wicked gods of tyranny and slaughter. Selfish, cruel, and evil.However, going to meet them, using your ranks in Intimidate, and letting them know that a paladin can't stop the wrath of their own deity...Good by evil means isn't really good in D&amp;D, just as evil through good means isn't really evil. There's a grey area, though, and it's significant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 3250075, member: 2067"] The torture is what does it. Without the torture, they're on pretty solidly Good ground, but the moment they delve into torture, they compromise the whole "protect the innocent" schtick. Torture is an Evil Thing, placing the torturer's goals above the integrity, safety, and quality of life of those tortured, no matter what means are used, no matter how noble the end goal. If torturing one person saves one million, the torture is still evil. Even if the torture is something like water torture, or sleep deprivation, or ritual humiliation (e.g.: more mental in nature than physical), you are removing the other person's humanity, their free choice, to serve your own ends. Even if they're evil themselves, even if who you're torturing would torture others to get to you, even if they kick puppies and shoot babies and seduce your daughters and give blood sacrifice to their wicked gods of tyranny and slaughter. Selfish, cruel, and evil. However, going to meet them, using your ranks in Intimidate, and letting them know that a paladin can't stop the wrath of their own deity... Good by evil means isn't really good in D&D, just as evil through good means isn't really evil. There's a grey area, though, and it's significant. [/QUOTE]

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