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<blockquote data-quote="Harmon" data-source="post: 3250815" data-attributes="member: 24357">&quot;By any means necassary&quot; to me is evil.&nbsp; Evil is without a doubt not something you want to build goodness upon, because the goodness will be a lie.Having said that- there are means outside of the good that I know need to be used.&nbsp; Torturing someone to death is evil, torturing them for information is evil, even if its to save the goodness of something or someone(s).An example comes to mind-You know the big bad has poisoned a well in a hamlet, a hundred people are going to die.&nbsp; You capture the bad guy, and start questioning him, but he just laughs.&nbsp; The Paladin knows that the rogue will set into the torture arena as soon as he turns his back to get the antidot.&nbsp; The moral delima is on the Paladin, he steps away and lets an evil act occur to save the town or allows evil to succeed in the deaths of a hundred people.&nbsp; The bad guy is going to the local lord for justice as far as the end is for him, but to torture or not?In my mind the big bad should be gagged and skinned alive, when he has had enough take the gag off and ask him if he wants me to stop.&nbsp; If the answer is yes, he will tell me the antidot, if not then I leave the gag off and he can talk.I want to be a hero, its my desire to be a good and honorable person, but I know that evil must be done to save good, and I know that, that evil will corrupt and tant the goodness.So the paladin- is screwed.&nbsp; He must search every avenue, every little clue must be followed to its end, and if he fails he must let the villian laugh right up to the lord's justice.&nbsp; If he lets the rogue have her time with the villian (torture him) then the Paladin will only lose face in the eyes of his faith.My view here will undoubtably get some flames going, its not my intent, but these threads always get people's panties twisted.&nbsp; Lets try to avoid that.&nbsp; I am only stating my view, and my call as a GM and as a Player.Peace all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harmon, post: 3250815, member: 24357"] "By any means necassary" to me is evil. Evil is without a doubt not something you want to build goodness upon, because the goodness will be a lie. Having said that- there are means outside of the good that I know need to be used. Torturing someone to death is evil, torturing them for information is evil, even if its to save the goodness of something or someone(s). An example comes to mind- You know the big bad has poisoned a well in a hamlet, a hundred people are going to die. You capture the bad guy, and start questioning him, but he just laughs. The Paladin knows that the rogue will set into the torture arena as soon as he turns his back to get the antidot. The moral delima is on the Paladin, he steps away and lets an evil act occur to save the town or allows evil to succeed in the deaths of a hundred people. The bad guy is going to the local lord for justice as far as the end is for him, but to torture or not? In my mind the big bad should be gagged and skinned alive, when he has had enough take the gag off and ask him if he wants me to stop. If the answer is yes, he will tell me the antidot, if not then I leave the gag off and he can talk. I want to be a hero, its my desire to be a good and honorable person, but I know that evil must be done to save good, and I know that, that evil will corrupt and tant the goodness. So the paladin- is screwed. He must search every avenue, every little clue must be followed to its end, and if he fails he must let the villian laugh right up to the lord's justice. If he lets the rogue have her time with the villian (torture him) then the Paladin will only lose face in the eyes of his faith. My view here will undoubtably get some flames going, its not my intent, but these threads always get people's panties twisted. Lets try to avoid that. I am only stating my view, and my call as a GM and as a Player. Peace all. [/QUOTE]

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