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<blockquote data-quote="Phlebas" data-source="post: 3251598" data-attributes="member: 23810">D&amp;D alignments don't have real world shades of grey so my take on it is that you have to define 'good' relative to your fantasy society. Since most PC's are quite keen on using excessive force you can't always play to this worlds moral standards unless you want PrC &quot;Banker&quot;, &quot;Accountant&quot;, &quot;Lawyer&quot; etc. So trying to split hairs on acceptable torture is academic - make a ruling for your world and stick to it - good people can then do &quot;bad&quot; things but the important factor is that they know they're doing evil and will have to accept the consequences of their actions.So define what you consider 'Idealised Good' in your world, and allow a little leeway for good PC's (especially if they feel guilty), more leeway for Neutrals (as long as they stick to the major ideals), and freedom for evil. Personally i'd never allow an evil PC but thats just me.For example, IMC elves will happily use poison arrows as they have no moral problems with its use (&quot;you mean you want us to come in range so you can hit us with the big club? let me think about that .....&quot;&lt;Twang&gt;)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Phlebas, post: 3251598, member: 23810"] D&D alignments don't have real world shades of grey so my take on it is that you have to define 'good' relative to your fantasy society. Since most PC's are quite keen on using excessive force you can't always play to this worlds moral standards unless you want PrC "Banker", "Accountant", "Lawyer" etc. So trying to split hairs on acceptable torture is academic - make a ruling for your world and stick to it - good people can then do "bad" things but the important factor is that they know they're doing evil and will have to accept the consequences of their actions. So define what you consider 'Idealised Good' in your world, and allow a little leeway for good PC's (especially if they feel guilty), more leeway for Neutrals (as long as they stick to the major ideals), and freedom for evil. Personally i'd never allow an evil PC but thats just me. For example, IMC elves will happily use poison arrows as they have no moral problems with its use ("you mean you want us to come in range so you can hit us with the big club? let me think about that ....."<Twang>) [/QUOTE]

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