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<blockquote data-quote="Zenon" data-source="post: 338080" data-attributes="member: 352"><p>Ok, here's another thought (pardon me if I ramble a bit):</p><p></p><p>What if we cave in? Offer to parlay? Peace with the mighty Valloreans, etc, etc.</p><p></p><p>After all, we are Chaotic Evil. The Vampire Lord's shoes might be looking pretty good to fill, but if we don't have the power why not get these pesky do-gooders to batter their heads against our Lords defenses while we bide our time.</p><p></p><p>Will our evil gods mind? Heck no, they like the strongest to serve them. Lets prove we're not only strong, but smart! Its already been pointed out that matching our force against the Vallorean Legions bearing down on us will get us wiped out.</p><p></p><p>So lets use this to our advantage. Remember, we consider our troops as "throw away". We need to expend enough of our troopies to put up a good fight (which we may do with some of the ideas floating around these threads) and the Valloreans will expect us not to give up easily.</p><p></p><p>However, when the Valloreans start seriously hammering us, let us have a change of heart. Offer surrender, tell them we've seen the error of our ways, tell them we've see that we were wrong, lay out the sob story how we're just tortured souls doing the bidding of our evil masters and we repent.</p><p></p><p>Send envoys to them who truly believe this. Zone of Truth? Doesn't work when the person speaking the words believes them. Auguries? Too short term to see effect in the future past an hour or so. Commune? Our dark gods can contribute to block answers by the good gods, this should haze this up.</p><p></p><p>In short, play it up to the Vallorean ego and their pride. Make them believe it. Offer them passage, give over the fortress, plead with them to spare the lives of our humble (worthless peasant) people.</p><p></p><p>Make them have to garrison us. Make them have to spread out to watch us and educate us, slow their advance to a crawl.</p><p></p><p>Oh and make some good faith terms for this. No wholesale slaughter of our people. After all, we're just a poor people trying to change our evil ways after being shown the righteous path by the Valloreans.</p><p></p><p>Get the promises from the Valloreans on paper. Signed treaties, etc.</p><p></p><p>But let's not expose all our strength. Do they have an accurate count of us? Know who our actual leaders are? If not hide some of them. Bury some undead in the countryside.</p><p></p><p>Let them come among us. Study their ways, their methods, their command structure. Study their gear. Learn about our foe.</p><p></p><p>If they sign the treaties, great. If they go back on them and start up the slaughter machine, send envoys to their allies. Beg and plead and give them the same sobs story, but now we have proof. "Look at how the Vallorean empire treats those who they sign treaties with," we'll cry, "Look how well they keep their word! Look at them killing our helpless peasants after we surrendered!"</p><p></p><p>If they don't sign, that's great too. We can still send the envoys to their allies. "Look at the warmongers," we'll say, "We offered a treaty for peace, we offered to stop this senseless fighting. We wanted to have them come amongst us and teach us the error of our ways. But no! They are filled with hatred and violence towards anything or anyone different. Beware that they don't find you "different" after they've bled off your land to feed the casualties of the war they're perpetuating! Are not their ambassadors amongst your people even now, preaching the goodness of their empire? What will you do when your people turn against you, letting your nation be absorbed into their never-ending war? How long until they bleed your nation dry of resource and people to feed their lust for violence done to others?"</p><p></p><p>Good stuff, either way. Lots of propaganda value for our Dark Lord.</p><p></p><p>If it slows their armies, that's even better. It gives our boss, the Vampire Lord, time to prepare. If it doesn't slow them, that's ok, that means our boss is that much less prepared when they hit. Maybe they'll take him out so we can step in.</p><p></p><p>If our boss comes down on us, we can show him we have a valid plan. We are trying to infiltrate them to corrupt them, or give us ammunition to weaken the support of their allies. It is a far reaching and ambitious plan. Rather than smash the army before us, can we hack away at the roots? If we can break up the Vallorean alliance, it can weaken them overall. Possibly even enough to turn the tide in the course of the war.</p><p></p><p>If he thinks we're too ambitious, then we can step aside and let the Valloreans at him.</p><p></p><p>The above has some merit, and tries to use the Vallorean weaknesses against themselves (pride and zealousness):</p><p></p><p>1) They've never lost a war - let's give them what they expect. Any casualties from the attempt will most likely be less that trying to engage them on the field, and we're never exposing our most experienced (and thus hardest to replace) troops.</p><p></p><p>2) If they kill us out of zealousness, we can manipulate this into a weapon which can harm their alliances with other nations. A whispered word in an advisors ear in some allied country, that travels to the kings ear. Not all of their allies can be as magically protected and vigilant as the Valloreans. We have to whittle away at them, cut the flow of manpower from these other nations into theirs. Once we can stem the incoming tide of manpower, then their bull-headed, damn-the-torpedoes way of fighting, accepting any loss to get us, will really begin to take it's toll on their armies in the field, or those guarding their homeland. Give us some cracks somewhere and we can get a toehold, perhaps enough stick a wedge in.</p><p></p><p>Comments? What do we think?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zenon, post: 338080, member: 352"] Ok, here's another thought (pardon me if I ramble a bit): What if we cave in? Offer to parlay? Peace with the mighty Valloreans, etc, etc. After all, we are Chaotic Evil. The Vampire Lord's shoes might be looking pretty good to fill, but if we don't have the power why not get these pesky do-gooders to batter their heads against our Lords defenses while we bide our time. Will our evil gods mind? Heck no, they like the strongest to serve them. Lets prove we're not only strong, but smart! Its already been pointed out that matching our force against the Vallorean Legions bearing down on us will get us wiped out. So lets use this to our advantage. Remember, we consider our troops as "throw away". We need to expend enough of our troopies to put up a good fight (which we may do with some of the ideas floating around these threads) and the Valloreans will expect us not to give up easily. However, when the Valloreans start seriously hammering us, let us have a change of heart. Offer surrender, tell them we've seen the error of our ways, tell them we've see that we were wrong, lay out the sob story how we're just tortured souls doing the bidding of our evil masters and we repent. Send envoys to them who truly believe this. Zone of Truth? Doesn't work when the person speaking the words believes them. Auguries? Too short term to see effect in the future past an hour or so. Commune? Our dark gods can contribute to block answers by the good gods, this should haze this up. In short, play it up to the Vallorean ego and their pride. Make them believe it. Offer them passage, give over the fortress, plead with them to spare the lives of our humble (worthless peasant) people. Make them have to garrison us. Make them have to spread out to watch us and educate us, slow their advance to a crawl. Oh and make some good faith terms for this. No wholesale slaughter of our people. After all, we're just a poor people trying to change our evil ways after being shown the righteous path by the Valloreans. Get the promises from the Valloreans on paper. Signed treaties, etc. But let's not expose all our strength. Do they have an accurate count of us? Know who our actual leaders are? If not hide some of them. Bury some undead in the countryside. Let them come among us. Study their ways, their methods, their command structure. Study their gear. Learn about our foe. If they sign the treaties, great. If they go back on them and start up the slaughter machine, send envoys to their allies. Beg and plead and give them the same sobs story, but now we have proof. "Look at how the Vallorean empire treats those who they sign treaties with," we'll cry, "Look how well they keep their word! Look at them killing our helpless peasants after we surrendered!" If they don't sign, that's great too. We can still send the envoys to their allies. "Look at the warmongers," we'll say, "We offered a treaty for peace, we offered to stop this senseless fighting. We wanted to have them come amongst us and teach us the error of our ways. But no! They are filled with hatred and violence towards anything or anyone different. Beware that they don't find you "different" after they've bled off your land to feed the casualties of the war they're perpetuating! Are not their ambassadors amongst your people even now, preaching the goodness of their empire? What will you do when your people turn against you, letting your nation be absorbed into their never-ending war? How long until they bleed your nation dry of resource and people to feed their lust for violence done to others?" Good stuff, either way. Lots of propaganda value for our Dark Lord. If it slows their armies, that's even better. It gives our boss, the Vampire Lord, time to prepare. If it doesn't slow them, that's ok, that means our boss is that much less prepared when they hit. Maybe they'll take him out so we can step in. If our boss comes down on us, we can show him we have a valid plan. We are trying to infiltrate them to corrupt them, or give us ammunition to weaken the support of their allies. It is a far reaching and ambitious plan. Rather than smash the army before us, can we hack away at the roots? If we can break up the Vallorean alliance, it can weaken them overall. Possibly even enough to turn the tide in the course of the war. If he thinks we're too ambitious, then we can step aside and let the Valloreans at him. The above has some merit, and tries to use the Vallorean weaknesses against themselves (pride and zealousness): 1) They've never lost a war - let's give them what they expect. Any casualties from the attempt will most likely be less that trying to engage them on the field, and we're never exposing our most experienced (and thus hardest to replace) troops. 2) If they kill us out of zealousness, we can manipulate this into a weapon which can harm their alliances with other nations. A whispered word in an advisors ear in some allied country, that travels to the kings ear. Not all of their allies can be as magically protected and vigilant as the Valloreans. We have to whittle away at them, cut the flow of manpower from these other nations into theirs. Once we can stem the incoming tide of manpower, then their bull-headed, damn-the-torpedoes way of fighting, accepting any loss to get us, will really begin to take it's toll on their armies in the field, or those guarding their homeland. Give us some cracks somewhere and we can get a toehold, perhaps enough stick a wedge in. Comments? What do we think? [/QUOTE]
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