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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 296499" data-attributes="member: 224">Re: Re: new onequote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------have a long entrance tunnel with all the nasties others have mentioned. at the end is a very tall shaft 5x5. at least 200 ft tall.Bang on th' head, mmadsen, as usual.Not to pick (too much) on the previous poster, but this is 'xactly what I'm talkin' about.  It's all well an' good to make the perfect trap -- and as a DM it's pretty easy t' do --  but 9 times outta 10 the trap doesn't make sense in the larger context.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How do the natives get around it to scout, look for food, etc.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How was it built?  Do the natives really have that kind of expertise and/or drive?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How is it maintained?  (Or was it jus' built last week, since that's when th' PCs adventure started......"Well, Wilbur, we'd better get that trap runnin' again...those adventurers will be thru her 'fore long....")</li> </ul>Still, having a rock or rock slide in an appropriate place is another Good Idea(tm).  Add it to th' list....An' I guess slave labor's fine as well fer constructing goblin traps.  The results would be crude, tho'.   (Human kids, mmadsen?  Yer a sick bastard.  .......I'd use elvish or gnomish, m'self.  :^>  ) Re: Wood survival underground.    I disaggree with some of CRG's assessment.    It really depends on the local water table and regional precipitation.  The reason so many old mines out West (USA) still have their timbers intact is because they are relatively dry.  In contrast, mines in Wisconsin, Kentucky, or West Virginia have to have their timbers (or other supports) maintained every 7 to 10 years, or they become mucho unsafe and unstable.    Of course, wood type and preservation methods also play a role.  In a oxygen-free environment, wood can last 1000's of years.  But barring that sort of perfection, th' easiest preservative is tar, of course.  Oil is also an excellent wood preservative.  Anyone see any problems with these preservatives and typical adventurer practices?    Finally, some types of rock do not require support timbers.  Those types (like granite, gneiss, limestone, or even salt) just require careful mining techniques to prevent blow-outs or collapse.FWIW.</blockquote>

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