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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 297167" data-attributes="member: 5724">Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new oneok one more time.  long corridor with nasty traps ending in a tall shaft.  shaft has recessed rungs for climbing.  at top of shaft is 4 guards who, when they see a non-friendly drop a big stone slab down the pit.  once everythings dead, if not they drop again, they pick up the pieces and throw it outside the lair.to address particular reasons why my idea is not well thought through.1. warg riders will get the frick off their wolf and climb like everyone else.2. the only large baddies are the dire's and they'll squish down to 5x5 (remember 5x10 is only required for combat, two similarly sized creatures can share the same space if they are not fighting) so they dont even have to squish that much. just curl up and relax.3. i already said there was a pully for lifting. does it matter if its a bucket or a platform or if they tie ropes to the creatures to be lifted.  please use your judgement and pick whats best for you.4. as to how it fits into a practical subbeterranean kingdom.  it's a most efficient, cost effective, secure method of preventing invasion if the enemy cannot fly, etherial, teleport or move through solid stone.5. you can have security or ease of access, not both.joe b.</blockquote>