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Message: <blockquote data-quote="niastri" data-source="post: 398421" data-attributes="member: 7483">I see no need to eliminate D and D magic users, IF you are using a fantasy setting that is updated.If you want to keep a real feel for the modern world, it can be done in a couple of ways:1) Limit clerics/druids and sorcerors/wizards (bards don't fit imo in a modern setting) to spells equal to half their level in spellcaster levels, but keep everything similar in overall levels.  You could even go with a third of caster level (rounded off fairly...) for really weak magic worlds. A spellcaster would be a decent character only because of the uniqueness of their abilities.  They can't compete in D and D terms with other classes.  This can be compensated for with skill points/rules.  You have to have Know/Arcane ranks to a certain level before casting a certain spell level.2) Make admission to a spellcasting class VERY difficult RP wise.  Everything can be solved by having somebody looking over your shoulder or lording it over you every level.  This also includes the fact that you have Mulder looking for you every minute of your life.3) Force every spellcaster character to take a class level in another class for every spellcaster class level they take.  For a really low power magic would, also include either version of rule 1 or rule 2 to make magic very difficult to achieve.In all of these cases, there has to be a very strong mystique to magic of any kind.  Horror or Awe checks should be required of any character who is not a spell user, unless they have many ranks in Know Arcane or Spellcraft.  Otherwise the lack of magic while using typical D and D rules in a modern setting would be choosing a weak character with a quirk.  That is something that may be great RP wise, but may be aggravating if you have a combat heavy campeign.  Modern D and D settings NEED to be RP oriented, since the combat in Fantasy Settings for D and D are very combat oriented, even when you avoid it.Use SpyCraft instead.  It is the best d20 game out there.  Better rules and much better ideas about magic, psionics and modern stuff.  Very worthwhile.  We are changing our Star Wars game rules over and implementing some of the rules in our D and D games as well because the SpyCraft rules are easier to use.  If you don't want to shell out the cash, what I have said may help  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Of course, my groups like to make new rules as much as we like to play some days, so....</blockquote>

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