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How would you do the sword mage in 5e?
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8863454" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>But not with using the rules that you are criticizing. I understand. I looked at that advice and challenged whether we needed to be that restrictive. I found a less restrictive path that created a better situation at my game table, tested it out, and find a better option.[quoite]Finally, we are talking about a Gish build, which when it comes to Wizard is only the Bladesinger, a Dwarf/Gith Abjurer or a multiclass. So it is not going to be captured in most Wizard optimization builds online unless it is specific to Bladesinger.</p></blockquote><p>There are a lot of multiclass options, right? And I did not introduce the limitation to Gish builds and have tested this with far broader applications - for years - and found no problems.</p><p>Because the Bladesigner, as a melee class, comes off as underpowered when the focus is on the melee capability - primarily because it is hard to elevate damage and maintain defenses due to all of the restrictions on concentration. As noted, you're in a super minority when you think those are really good options as written. </p><p></p><p>Blur reduces the damage you take. That reduction only matters in D&D if you would have gone down in combat without it. Otherwise, it is not relevant to whether you'd win or lose the battle. Spells that augment damage wrap the battle up faster, which usually means the opponents taking less attacks, which means an alternative path to less damage taken. In 5E we have proven over and over that a focus on fast damage outpaces defensive options that prevent the use of actions for offense and/or tie up your concentration. </p><p></p><p>We're going in circles here - no need to repeat ourselves any further.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8863454, member: 2629"] But not with using the rules that you are criticizing. I understand. I looked at that advice and challenged whether we needed to be that restrictive. I found a less restrictive path that created a better situation at my game table, tested it out, and find a better option.[quoite]Finally, we are talking about a Gish build, which when it comes to Wizard is only the Bladesinger, a Dwarf/Gith Abjurer or a multiclass. So it is not going to be captured in most Wizard optimization builds online unless it is specific to Bladesinger.[/quote]There are a lot of multiclass options, right? And I did not introduce the limitation to Gish builds and have tested this with far broader applications - for years - and found no problems. Because the Bladesigner, as a melee class, comes off as underpowered when the focus is on the melee capability - primarily because it is hard to elevate damage and maintain defenses due to all of the restrictions on concentration. As noted, you're in a super minority when you think those are really good options as written. Blur reduces the damage you take. That reduction only matters in D&D if you would have gone down in combat without it. Otherwise, it is not relevant to whether you'd win or lose the battle. Spells that augment damage wrap the battle up faster, which usually means the opponents taking less attacks, which means an alternative path to less damage taken. In 5E we have proven over and over that a focus on fast damage outpaces defensive options that prevent the use of actions for offense and/or tie up your concentration. We're going in circles here - no need to repeat ourselves any further. [/QUOTE]
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