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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7442981" data-attributes="member: 82504">Well unless you are building a striker flavored wizard its probably not the point&nbsp; (though its the easiest to quantify )And pointedly I actually use a fair number of minions... do you? If you don't use minions like Mearles then perhaps an area effect able to kill dozens of them won't bother you. The DM shouldnt have to remove an entire class of adversary from the field because of your at-will. (or house rule them) And as far as range that huge area of effect is range... ie up to 5 squares away does not seem particularly close to me could mow down 5 or 10 minions from well behind your allies and if they do manage to get close it increases.And that total area of effect is 25 squares... &nbsp;The moving enemies around is a value harder to quantify but is also the part which is nicely boostable ie when combined with a few bonuses to push distance via&nbsp; enchanter and orbs... you are pushing all melee enemies 6 or 7 squares a round.I disagree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7442981, member: 82504"] Well unless you are building a striker flavored wizard its probably not the point (though its the easiest to quantify ) And pointedly I actually use a fair number of minions... do you? If you don't use minions like Mearles then perhaps an area effect able to kill dozens of them won't bother you. The DM shouldnt have to remove an entire class of adversary from the field because of your at-will. (or house rule them) And as far as range that huge area of effect is range... ie up to 5 squares away does not seem particularly close to me could mow down 5 or 10 minions from well behind your allies and if they do manage to get close it increases. And that total area of effect is[B] 25 squares[/B]... The moving enemies around is a value harder to quantify but is also the part which is nicely boostable ie when combined with a few bonuses to push distance via enchanter and orbs... you are pushing all melee enemies [B]6 or 7 squares [/B]a round. I disagree. [/QUOTE]

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