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How would you fix the Paladin's Mark?
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<blockquote data-quote="Stonesnake" data-source="post: 4088862" data-attributes="member: 48229"><p>Chris Perkins explained it to us in a lot more detail at DDXP.</p><p></p><p>First, marks don't stack. So you can't have the fighter's mark AND the Paladin's mark on the same creature (and other PCs also have the ability to mark). And don't forget there were other marks that the Paladin could use which we didn't see at DDXP. </p><p></p><p>Second, the Paladin's challenge only works if the creature marked can see you and can get to you. For example in the delve that Chris ran for us we marked a creature and then blocked the path so that the creature couldn't get to us. So Chris had the creature leave the room to run around the hall to get to him instead. The creature took no damage while it was outside of visual range. This also prevents the paladin from challenging a creature and then running away, the mark simply won't work if you do that.</p><p></p><p>However we did ask Chris if we marked a monster and them put up a wall of fire would the creature try to go through the fire to get to the Paladin. He said yes it would, it would do whatever it could to try to get to the Paladin, as long as he could see him. Plus the creature could use ranged attacks or special abilities (such as a breath weapon) to attack the Paladin.</p><p></p><p>Also remember that you only get a limited number of Exploits that you can slot. So the challenge might seem good and overpowered now, but in a few levels 8 points of damage won't be much and I'm sure there will be other marks which will be better than the challenge. Chris said that the challenge was working as intended and was meant to force a monster to fight the Paladin ... but the Paladin couldn't issue the challenge and then run away! They had to stand and try to fight the monster as well!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stonesnake, post: 4088862, member: 48229"] Chris Perkins explained it to us in a lot more detail at DDXP. First, marks don't stack. So you can't have the fighter's mark AND the Paladin's mark on the same creature (and other PCs also have the ability to mark). And don't forget there were other marks that the Paladin could use which we didn't see at DDXP. Second, the Paladin's challenge only works if the creature marked can see you and can get to you. For example in the delve that Chris ran for us we marked a creature and then blocked the path so that the creature couldn't get to us. So Chris had the creature leave the room to run around the hall to get to him instead. The creature took no damage while it was outside of visual range. This also prevents the paladin from challenging a creature and then running away, the mark simply won't work if you do that. However we did ask Chris if we marked a monster and them put up a wall of fire would the creature try to go through the fire to get to the Paladin. He said yes it would, it would do whatever it could to try to get to the Paladin, as long as he could see him. Plus the creature could use ranged attacks or special abilities (such as a breath weapon) to attack the Paladin. Also remember that you only get a limited number of Exploits that you can slot. So the challenge might seem good and overpowered now, but in a few levels 8 points of damage won't be much and I'm sure there will be other marks which will be better than the challenge. Chris said that the challenge was working as intended and was meant to force a monster to fight the Paladin ... but the Paladin couldn't issue the challenge and then run away! They had to stand and try to fight the monster as well! [/QUOTE]
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