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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 4731844" data-attributes="member: 10177">True, which is why I had the PC/NPC templates, because I pretty much always had to scale them up to be able to face the 3E versions of the monsters, or to be an NPC capable of challenging 3E PC's.like Strahd used to be a Vampire and a 10 level Mage. In 3E he had to be amped up a lot to present a challenge, and we still killed him even though we were only 6th level. Several of us died, one of us 2 or 3 times, but we had scrolls of Raise Dead and 2 clerics in the party. I forge what levels they made him, but if you have the 3E RAvenloft you can look it up.When I converted it for me to run back in 2003 I upped Strahd to be a CR 23.He won, just like he always has. He didn't get beat until my 2008 C&C October games. 3 different groups ran on 3 different nights. 2 of the groups actually defeated Strahd. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> They all played extremely well, though. Darn well, including the ones who lost. Even in the groups who won several died. In the one group 4 out of 6 died before they took Strahd down. The group who lost literally came within 5 feet of winning too. Some excellent play during those games. Anyways, the point is everything used from those editions will likely have to be levelled up to some degree, or different monsters used. Now the first level modules, and even those up to 5th level, usually didn't need much level changing, but from about 6th level on the changes needed become greater and greater. All depending on the monsters used, and how much they changed in 3E.</blockquote>

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