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How would you handle the basic stat conception in 4E?
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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4030985" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>Superstats</p><p></p><p> I would allow that, stats are linear up to 20.</p><p> Thus, the bonuses for 20 would be: +12 / spell capacity +275%.</p><p> (Of course, good luck getting to 20. It might be easy in 3E. It won't be easy in my game.)</p><p></p><p> Beyond 20, stats are not linear. Instead, capabilities double for every three points gained.</p><p> Thus, 23 represents double 20 (thus, 23 is double the theoretical human maximum.) </p><p> 26 is double 23. 29 is double 26. 32 is double 29. And so on.</p><p></p><p> There are beings that are hundreds, or thousands of times more capable than human beings, in a particular stat. Strength is the most obvious of these, as we have incredibly big and powerful creatures like dragons.</p><p> A dragon must be able to lift and move it's own tremendous mass. What does a dragon weight? Countless tons? It's no small feat of strength for a dragon to even move, much less fly around.</p><p> What could a dragon 200 feet long pick up? A big rock? A house? A freight engine that weighs 200 tons?</p><p></p><p> If the stats were merely linear, a dragon would have a strength somewhere in the thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, because they are thousands of times stronger than humans, and the best a human can must is 18 (or, in superhuman cases, 19 or just maybe 20.)</p><p> So, the exponential increase instead. So if a dragon was 1,000 times as strong as a human, it would have - what? ... 23 is 2x, 26 is 4x, 29 is 8x, 32 is 16x, 35 is 32x, 38 is 64x, 41 is 128x, 44 is 256x, 47 is 512 x, 50 is 1,024x ... so the dragon would have 50 strength.</p><p> It would have incredible bonuses with such a stat? How incredible? I don't know, but they should be staggering. If it can pick up a freight engine that weighs 200 tons, if it hits you with it's claws it should do some SERIOUS damage to you (impact by a freight engine is 20d6, no? Impact of a claw by a dragon capable of lifting a freight engine should be just as awful.)</p><p></p><p> For a character to attain stats above 20, we are talking major magical items. Once again, these cannot be manufactured by the character in question unless he is over 10th level. And then, manufacture of the item should be onerous and time consuming. </p><p> It should, basically, be easier to go adventuring and take the incredible risks therein, to gain such items in the wild (items made in magic rich begone times) than to do it yourself.</p><p></p><p> Take the Girdle of Giant Strength. How strong is a being 20 feet tall? I don't know, but sounds like somewhere in the mid 20s. So perhaps the Girdle gives a 25 Strength? </p><p> Want to make such a Girdle? How many millions of gold and months of time do you have?</p><p> Or, perhaps there is one in those old ruins everyone is talking about. Care to go find out? The choice is yours to make.</p><p></p><p> EDIT: In the film Forbidden Planet, the Krell had an average IQ of 1,200.</p><p> To represent this as an Intelligence of 120 is, IMO, not reasonable.</p><p> Under the system I proposed, the Krell would have an average Intelligence of around 27 (or, 5 times the maximum human IQ of around 230 ... 23 is 2x 20, 26 is 4x 20, so around 27.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4030985, member: 2020"] Superstats I would allow that, stats are linear up to 20. Thus, the bonuses for 20 would be: +12 / spell capacity +275%. (Of course, good luck getting to 20. It might be easy in 3E. It won't be easy in my game.) Beyond 20, stats are not linear. Instead, capabilities double for every three points gained. Thus, 23 represents double 20 (thus, 23 is double the theoretical human maximum.) 26 is double 23. 29 is double 26. 32 is double 29. And so on. There are beings that are hundreds, or thousands of times more capable than human beings, in a particular stat. Strength is the most obvious of these, as we have incredibly big and powerful creatures like dragons. A dragon must be able to lift and move it's own tremendous mass. What does a dragon weight? Countless tons? It's no small feat of strength for a dragon to even move, much less fly around. What could a dragon 200 feet long pick up? A big rock? A house? A freight engine that weighs 200 tons? If the stats were merely linear, a dragon would have a strength somewhere in the thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, because they are thousands of times stronger than humans, and the best a human can must is 18 (or, in superhuman cases, 19 or just maybe 20.) So, the exponential increase instead. So if a dragon was 1,000 times as strong as a human, it would have - what? ... 23 is 2x, 26 is 4x, 29 is 8x, 32 is 16x, 35 is 32x, 38 is 64x, 41 is 128x, 44 is 256x, 47 is 512 x, 50 is 1,024x ... so the dragon would have 50 strength. It would have incredible bonuses with such a stat? How incredible? I don't know, but they should be staggering. If it can pick up a freight engine that weighs 200 tons, if it hits you with it's claws it should do some SERIOUS damage to you (impact by a freight engine is 20d6, no? Impact of a claw by a dragon capable of lifting a freight engine should be just as awful.) For a character to attain stats above 20, we are talking major magical items. Once again, these cannot be manufactured by the character in question unless he is over 10th level. And then, manufacture of the item should be onerous and time consuming. It should, basically, be easier to go adventuring and take the incredible risks therein, to gain such items in the wild (items made in magic rich begone times) than to do it yourself. Take the Girdle of Giant Strength. How strong is a being 20 feet tall? I don't know, but sounds like somewhere in the mid 20s. So perhaps the Girdle gives a 25 Strength? Want to make such a Girdle? How many millions of gold and months of time do you have? Or, perhaps there is one in those old ruins everyone is talking about. Care to go find out? The choice is yours to make. EDIT: In the film Forbidden Planet, the Krell had an average IQ of 1,200. To represent this as an Intelligence of 120 is, IMO, not reasonable. Under the system I proposed, the Krell would have an average Intelligence of around 27 (or, 5 times the maximum human IQ of around 230 ... 23 is 2x 20, 26 is 4x 20, so around 27.) [/QUOTE]
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