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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 1381440" data-attributes="member: 111">Okay - but from the point of view of the character with darkvision, there are NO shadows to use.  Besides, the PHB quite clearly say you CANNOT hide from someone with darkvision without cover. Now what I don't know is how a Shadowdancer with darkvision can see shadows to know they are there and thus they can hide.  I guess they can turn the darkvision on and off at will or something.  It does not really have to make sense, I guess. The thing to remember about HiPS is that it is NOT invisibility, it IS using the Hide skill, albeit supernaturally, and is using it with shadows (we don't really know exactly how).  Someone with darkvision gets automatic success vs. someone hiding using shadows only (as opposed to using cover to hide), thus you cannot use HiPS vs. someone with darkvision.</blockquote>