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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1381710" data-attributes="member: 1266">Couple of things Darkvision is black and white only.  When a creature with DV looks at something in shadow what does he see?  He sees it as a black and white image.  Knowing this he would therefore perceive the shadow even though he can see through it.  Shadows do exist for a creature with darkvision, they just don't stop them from seeing clearly in black and white. The HiPS ability states you don't need anything to hide behind and you don't actually have to be in shadow - so how exactly does darkvision negate the ability to use HiPS? Abilities like this aren't based on the perception of others - Analogy: If I cast protection from evil - and the insane chaotic evil cultist believes completely that he is good - it still works against him - even though he can't and doesn't perceive himself as evil. The "creatures with darkvision can't perceive shadows" argument just doesn't convince me - given the HiPS ability to negate the need for cover/concealment. To-mā-to   To-mă-to I do remember that HiPS is not invisibility - if it was the spot check would be much higher <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> We've reached an impasse - restating the same bits - but no worries.  Maybe Skip will discuss this in the Rule of the Game column and we'll have our answer (although Monte Cook already stated that that darkvision does not negate the HiPS ability).</blockquote>

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