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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1381848" data-attributes="member: 1266">PH pg 152 "a shadowy area or darkness doesn’t provide any concealment against an opponent with darkvision."PH pg 165 "A creature can’t hide within 60 feet of a character with darkvision unless it is invisible or has cover." The HiPS negates the need for  cover ("a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind") or concealment (PH pg 152 "To determine whether your target has concealment from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that provides concealment, the target has concealment." and "You can use concealment to make a Hide check." Since you can be anywhere within 10' of a non-personal shadow you aren't getting concealment from it according to the rules on Concealment." Since HiPS negates both of these requirements within 10' of a non-personal shadow and darkvision lists cover OR invisiblity - the SD can go ahead and use their hide skill.How does the hidee's inability to see the shadow (even though I think they can still perceive it) stop the hider's HiPS ability from working? The shadow exists regardless of the hidee's ability to see it. Can a blind shadowdancer within 10' of a shadow still HiPS? With your darkvision interpretation she can't see the shadow and therefore can't HiPS. Heres something I just thought of - if a creature with darkvision can't see shadows - Shadows (the monster) just got a whole lot more dangerous - they would be effectively invisible to poor dwarven clerics <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> It just makes sense to me that HiPS works even if you are hiding from someone with darkvision. (this is my shadow font so the dwarves can't read it)</blockquote>

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