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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1382080" data-attributes="member: 11987">HiPS lets you Hide while being obvserved and in a situation (within 10' of a shadow) that does not give either cover or concealment. I think what you are saying is that you can only hide within 10' of a shadow if you actually have cover or concealment.The reason why you can not Hide from darkvision using the concealment granted by a shadowy area or darkness is because darkvision negates that concealment and you must have cover or concealment to use the hide skill. HiPS eleiminates that need you do not need cover or concealment in any way to hide if you meet HiPS conditions. The Vision and Light quote is superceded by the Concealment rules and the Hide rules which are in turn superceded by the HiPS rules as per WoTC's primary rules have precedence rule. I do not believe that Vision and Light quote adds an additional requirement for if you want to hide from a creature with darkvision. I believe that it is a simplification of the fact that you normally need cover or concealment to hide and since darkness does not give one concealment vs creatures with darkvision one must have cover to hide from them unless one has concealment from another source or for some reason does not need cover or concealment to hide such as the HiPS ability.Can a Ranger Hide with in 60ft of a creature with Darkvision while in natural terrain if he does not have cover?</blockquote>