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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mrswing" data-source="post: 5486452" data-attributes="member: 9984">Maybe this is a silly idea, but why not give magic-users a MAB which they have to roll to see whether the spell actually strikes its target/works (if not cast on an opponent, the spell 'attack' roll has to beat a certain DC to work if you want magic to be somewhat uncertain in all cases, otherwise just use the MAB for combat casting and let other spells go off automatically). The MAB = BAB progression for full casters, 2/3 progression for secondary spellcasters.Combine this with the need to overcome saving throws, and there are two elements in play which may hinder the effectiveness of magic use. Saving Throws could also be more effective (make your save = no damage whatsoever), but that would of course invalidate a number of feats and certain class features.</blockquote>