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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8375461" data-attributes="member: 7032025">I don't actually agree. It might seem that way at first glance, but it's actually very different in many respects. Yes, there is a skill list, and some of the skills are the same, but some fundamental differences make the system behave in a completely different manner:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Almost unable to gain new skills as you level</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Much fewer skills</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bounded accuracy (this is probably the most critical point) makes it so that the DC does not increase with levels, which in turns makes it so that although some differences appear due to the increased proficiency bonus and abilities, the system does not make it absolutely impossible for anyone to succeed at anything at high level whereas in 3e/3.5/Pathfinder, there was no way to succeed at untrained skills.</li> </ul>When you combine all of this in particular with the advantage mechanic, it makes for a much more forgiving system that allows almost everyone to have a chance to succeed at almost anything at almost any level.The OP seems to think that it's a bad thing and would like more specialisation so that only characters really trained can succeed at some specific tasks at high level, why not, it's a common criticism of 5e.Not necessarily, and not necessarily in the direction that (I think) OP wants. It's not necessarily a question of complexity. In that, you are right, some people would like more crunch to 5e but it's (at least IMHO) a different perspective.But most of the suggestions that you make will not address the main point which is linked to bounded accuracy and the fact that, in the end, if the PC is clever enough to get advantage (which is sort of one of the points of the game), with luck, the system gives him a chance except with extremely high DCs. But at the same time, bounded accuracy makes it so that, unless you have the very rare expertise, it is still very much possible for a specialist to fail at very complex tasks even with all the proficiency and ability bonus.If you want to be able to set really high DCs and make it so that only specialists succeed, the only way that I can see that does not complexify the system too much is to make expertise more widely available at high level, that way you can set really high DCs and make it so that only really trained specialists have a good chance to succeed.</blockquote>

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