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How would you keep a Frenzied Beserker from killing the whole party?
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<blockquote data-quote="Templetroll" data-source="post: 248180" data-attributes="member: 2201"><p>We read the same words and come to a different conclusion. I don't see it as "inefficient", I see it as "doesn't work that way". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> A raging barbarian "becomes reckless and less able to defend himself." This is shown by the -2 to AC. I do not see any action like Fighting Defensively as being allowed when enraged or frenzied. It is a sane and rational mind that can take actions to overcome hindrances or difficulties; raging and frenzy are <strong>not</strong> that! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Okay, an insane person can use a shield and dodge also but I mean a non-enraged and non-frenzied person. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I can see the point as Trip could add drama to the combat; it could be good roleplaying, not just because the book didn't say no. I had no problem with Bull Rush as that is a reasonable action for someone enraged to do.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Please see the part about "reckless" and "less able to <strong>defend</strong>" again. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I find that a vital aspect of rage and frenzy and don't understand how anyone else can miss it. It is sane and reasonable to use a shield to defend with; a raging madman does not take sane and reasonable actions in the midst of bloodlust. i don't see a shield as anything other than a big 'thing' on the arm of a FB, it is not being used by him.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Rogue want to stab me in junk! Rogue bad, rogue die now! Me not coward like Rogue who hides! Me get rid of this razzlefrazzit shield so me can hit bad people harder! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Two hands on the weapon get the extra damage bonus that would be most entertaining to a FB.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I presume a <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> was left out here. I'll remember to not make that concession in a post in future. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Templetroll, post: 248180, member: 2201"] We read the same words and come to a different conclusion. I don't see it as "inefficient", I see it as "doesn't work that way". :) A raging barbarian "becomes reckless and less able to defend himself." This is shown by the -2 to AC. I do not see any action like Fighting Defensively as being allowed when enraged or frenzied. It is a sane and rational mind that can take actions to overcome hindrances or difficulties; raging and frenzy are [B]not[/B] that! :) Okay, an insane person can use a shield and dodge also but I mean a non-enraged and non-frenzied person. :D [B] I can see the point as Trip could add drama to the combat; it could be good roleplaying, not just because the book didn't say no. I had no problem with Bull Rush as that is a reasonable action for someone enraged to do. Please see the part about "reckless" and "less able to [B]defend[/B]" again. :) I find that a vital aspect of rage and frenzy and don't understand how anyone else can miss it. It is sane and reasonable to use a shield to defend with; a raging madman does not take sane and reasonable actions in the midst of bloodlust. i don't see a shield as anything other than a big 'thing' on the arm of a FB, it is not being used by him. Rogue want to stab me in junk! Rogue bad, rogue die now! Me not coward like Rogue who hides! Me get rid of this razzlefrazzit shield so me can hit bad people harder! :) Two hands on the weapon get the extra damage bonus that would be most entertaining to a FB. I presume a :) was left out here. I'll remember to not make that concession in a post in future. :D[/B] [/QUOTE]
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